The ability to decide freely

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Interactivemonodrama, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. Interactivemonodrama

    Interactivemonodrama Member

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    I always considered life a hard thing. For all of us. There is no human being, who would not be affected by it. We tend to stretch the truth about our problems, in order to make us look like victims in our cruel society, but the sad thing is, the society is formed by us "humans". I think everyone is responsabile for the occuring bad days, because we are all linked together somehow.


    Even though I know we are all sinners in that sense, yet there are a lot of unanswered questions from my part. For example, let us assume the god from the bible exists. The true omnipotent, who knows the past, the present, and the future, and created humans and gave them freewill. The point is, god knows, who is going to fall to hell, or go to heaven, which I found pretty strange, because, you would think the almighty wants to help us. So what is the point in giving us the ability to decide freely, if he knows, that we become sinners ,and go to hell? That is our choice. Why did he give us the chance to rot away, by our own freedom? From my point of view, that choice, is not for us, but against the humanity.
     
  2. Meliai

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    If something doesn't make sense perhaps it is because it isn't true.
     
  3. bird_migration

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    Why assume there is a biblical god?
    That in itself doesn't make any sense.

    But playing along and assuming there is a omnipotent god, we indeed do not have any freedom. And god does not want nor need to help us go to heaven, because god in itself is not god or bad, so he does not judge that way. Only assuming a devil too makes god judgemental. And a judgemental god is by defination a bad god.
     
  4. tikoo

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    to be so very pointy , friend , is not really very free since you can
    be free from the discomfort of sitting on any of them which may well
    prove that life is love .
     
  5. Gongshaman

    Gongshaman Modus Lascivious

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    You could use to make a point or two once in a while tikoo, instead of always being so obtuse
     
  6. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    you are wrong .
     
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  8. Driftwood Gypsy

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    in my own opinion "god" doesn't exist, so it null and voids this question, and to me, your experience just confirms that this "god" doesn't exist.
    Life is hard because it is. Because this is the world we have made for ourselves, and it's horribly out of balance. We are our own deities, we are the masters of our society.
     
  9. tastyweat

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    Sin and hell are both human constructs, or the constructs of those who wish to use us to control our reality. There appear to be beings/spirits who feed of the vibrational frequencies or energy of fear, there are many different explanations for these beings - but it would appear as though they are real - thankfully their numbers appear small.

    God wants no-one to go to hell, but we are able to put ourselves there if we both believe it exists and believe we are supposed to go there.

    No-one, not even the worst of the worst... has ever been condemned to hell by God. God's only message is love... pure, unlimited love - that's it - no conditions - no dictations on how we should live our lives - sure there may be guidance if we truly want it and ask for it. But ultimately this is a free will universe, with choice available to everyone. No one will be condemned for making the wrong choice, although we may *temporarily* suffer if we make the wrong choices... Karma appears to exist in some form, but love will always win, it's the fundamental force we are created from.

    When we die, we each judge ourselves - we only have ourselves to worry about - there is no external judgement.

    It seems some people may be able to trap themselves because they don't realise they're dead - but these too get a helping hand when they need it / want it / open up to it.

    We each create what we want to experience... individually after this experience if we want it to be individual.

    This existence is collective - we can only change our situtation here by working together as a whole - we are all born equal and we share an equal portion of this reality. Collectively and individually, we have an incredible creative power available to us. We are all part of the creator and we've been given the ability to create through our beliefs and will, we just need to learn to use it again.

    I know this will be hard for some to accept - but I know this to be fact as I have seen it. I believe I'm here to learn and share... and I'm really looking forward to it :sunny:

    It seems like our experience here may be to learn a lesson... exactly what that is, I'm not sure - but it's likely personal to the individual or their spirit. If we don't learn it in this life, we get another chance until we do. It's as if God is guiding us to get closer to him, with every experience we get closer, even if we make what some may consider to be the wrong choice.

    I see good in everything, good will come out of every bad action - but only through the fallout or lessons learned, not the action itself of course. We may not see it for a long time, but it will be there.

    We have a wonderful future waiting for us... it is on the horizon and will come when the majority are ready to realise it. In the mean time, all you need to do is love yourself, share your love and learn to appreciate the now - the only point in time that truly exists.

    In loving anything, including yourself... you are loving God. If you don't wish to believe in a deity yet, no worries, you haven't lost anything - you've still learnt to love yourself ;)

    Nothing bad can ever come from following the right message - no matter what your belief system may be.
     
  10. tastyweat

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    All possibilities are set out for us to choose from, the choice itself is ours.

    The purest form of God may already know which choice we're going to make, or we may be here to constantly surprise him.

    Whether he knows the outcome or not... freedom still exists as it is our path to follow.
     

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