North Korea Threatens War

I was watching CNN last night and there was a former prisoner on Camp14 in North Korea, escaped.
His testimony and stories were horrible, Those North Koreans were terrible to him, He was tortued starved everyday of his life. He was born in Camp 14. No legal reports the North Koreans do not admit to any of it. There are professional reports that his statements are totally true. He never knew love and
was not allowed any family ways or contact with his family. He just had to do what he was told. He was hung by his ankles and tortued. He accidently broke a machine when he was young working and they disciplined him by cutting part of one of his fingers off.
He had many scars on his back and stomach from the prison guards.

I could not watch the whole thing I was so disturbed that this goes on today. I could not even sleep good
over this crap.

I will pray for them because God can do a work, those poor people.

 

Why?

 

You go do that, hun.

 

Because that's what happens when you push people into senseless war.

That's why the military is volunteers today. To select those who like doing the wrong thing.

A war against N. korea might or might not be worth fighting, depending on the situation. Even for volunteers, we've pushed things pretty far in the middle east. Vietnam threatened the US government, because you might get shaky about trying to mow down protesters, if the protesters are decorated war veterans, saying "I hope I get another one fighting these mothefuckers" or "next time we fight it will be to take those steps". Things came dangerously close, in "first world" terms, to collapse, and the government is only now forgetting it. They'd do well not to forget it.

 

When I heard this, I laughed a little. Combine the anti-ballistic missile battery on the west coast with the fact that their rockets have a habit of exploding on the launch pad, and I have no fear of my personal safety. However, Seoul is within artillery range of the border. They might not be so safe

 

I think everyone misunderstood. It wasnt a missile launch.. it was a missile Lunch.. They are so hungry they are eating missile parts.. :d

 

A pie graph

 

War, What Is It Good For? Absolutely Nothing ! what we need to do is start acting as a global family and abolish all borders and wars worldwide. Violence is preposterous we need PEACE

 

Alert status for 2:45 P.M. Thursday, April 11th, 2013. Condition Yellow. DEFCON 3. Condition Yellow. DEFCON 3. Condition Yellow. DEFCON 3.

There are currently no imminent nuclear threats against the United States at this time, however the situation is considered fluid and can change rapidly.​

The Pentagon reports that North Korea probably has nuclear weapons that can be mounted on ballistic missiles. This is a very significant admission by the United States and a dangerous change to the Korean situation. Currently, North Korea has moved its mid-range Musudan missile to east coast and has prepared it for launch. Additionally, North Korea has dedicated more facilities at its Yongbyon complex to nuclear weapons work. In response to rising tensions, China has mobilized its military and is massing near border with North Korea. South Korea has vowed a swift response to any attack by the North. While any response would be couched within political and diplomatic realities, this represents yet another step toward possible miscalculation in the Korean theatre.​

Many believe that North Korea will launch their test missile on or about April 15. Japan has instructed its armed forces to shoot down any North Korean missile that heads toward its territory.


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Somehow I don't think china's army at the border is to protect NK, from china's own massive trading partner/cohort.

 

This video went viral in China !!!
https://www.hubub.com/topic.php?topicid=52968&e=76559

 

I just hope you don't live in Austin !!!!

 

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RooRshack

Do you mean: That is what can happen when you push people into senseless war.

It is true, that is what can happen when you push people into senseless war.
It is also true similar actions occur after all war - sometimes even more severe reactions.
I have no idea if those 'veterans' thought the same way going in as they did coming out.
They have every right to express themselves in a peaceful manner.

Now, you know that isn't true - so why be disingenuous?
It doesn't even make sense if you are saying: 'A war against N. Korea might or might not be worth fighting, depending on the situation'
So it is 'right' and not 'senseless' dependent on your criteria and your opinion - I imagine after the fact, too.
So the soldiers are doing right if you think it is the right thing to do?
It's nice to be able to flip your moral compass in any direction you want, isn't it?

Sorry, I couldn't make any sense out of that.

 

Well yes, it's true.... the US military self-selects for violent cronyism, just like modern US police departments. It's a culture that self-replicates, and it's intentional. They had been drafting everybody, and the fact is that even when in mortal peril and facing serious enemies, soldiers didn't actually used to fight very much -- there's been studies on this, they fired in the air in WWII. Even if it was a war that could be believed in, the army used to not want to fight. Now they have a culture of civillian murder and cronyism and silence.

They started that after vietnam. Because pretty scary things started happening. Not because not being drafted was the will of the people (they don't give a fuck about the will of the people, 52% of americans favor pot legalization, and 3% of congressemen do) but because it was destabilizing the military to fill it with resentful people.

I know you probably don't know anyone, like from high school, who went to join the US armed forces, since you don't live in the US. But I've met dozens of people who are, have been, or will be in the armed forces here. They're overwhelmingly people who want to kill legally, and who want power to exercise cruelty and feel surperior to other people. Like in high school -- the people planning to join up wanted to kill some sand niggers, and would tell anyone who asked -- and it apparently is as simple as that, because you could ask their cousin or brother or whoever, who would tell them about all the cool murder they committed.

Once they're locked in, they also tend to become a sort of devil's advocate, in an alarming way. I knew one individual who would be, generally, quite peaceful. Student loans fucked him, the army gave the way out, and he worked himself up to and into it, talking to his brother. Before you know it he'd be telling people about executions on a whim, and how interrogation works (apparently his brother learned this his first day in afghanistan -- they beat you to a pulp even if you don't speak english, the point is that they are going to kill you, not that you know something). And it was all rationalized as what you've got to do, because you can't reason with scum like those people. Just having to face what he was going to do changed him.

You'll probably think I'm exaggerating, and I can't do anything about that. It's quite disturbing, the US military culture. There used to be sick people, but they did not form the majority of the military, because other people were drafted. Now they self-select.



As far as what I was saying about NK, and how it could be a just war -- I think it could, but I'm saying that even with our self-selected military, we could push war too far, for too long. We've been fighting senseless bullshit in the middle east, wearing out the military and the nation, and people do grow up and change in the military. Fresh out of high school, people will do about anything if you give them a gun and some power with no accountability, because they have a lot of growing up to do still. But then when you have people who live this military culture, and you have these endless wars, you will destabilize things, especially with how shamefully the US re-integrates and supports (or doesn't) veterans.

I'm saying that even if it's a just war, many years of totally unjust and unjustified war have corroded our military, and it's culture, and the abilities and attitudes of those who would be fighting the war. Being aggressive could have, ironically, reduced our ability to fight when there is need of it.

 

RooRshack

Could you put that in English, please.
If I understand you correctly:
You are not actually explaining how: 'the US military self-selects for violent cronyism.'
This makes no sense: 'soldiers didn't actually used to fight very much -- there's been studies on this, they fired in the air in WWII. Even if it was a war that could be believed in, the army used to not want to fight. Now they have a culture of civillian murder and cronyism and silence'

Are you saying that within all wars there was an element of soldiers that did not want to fight, and chose not to?
I know this.
This isn't new.
How does that reflect on those that that did, and a notion sometimes it is necessary, in your opinion?

2,161,727 males (2010 est.),
2,055,685 females (2010 est.)

All the same, and think the same?

I think you are being self selective, and purposely so.

You think the war in the middle-east is unjust and senseless.
Others do not share your opinion.
Yes, wars, such as Vietnam, can cause those involved to become disillusioned.
I do think it unfair to suggest every war is the same, and the same narrative applies - seemingly dependent on you own narrative.

Yes, but are not all soldiers now totally stupid and all are singled out to join because they don't give a shit?
Your selection of attributes, feelings and perspectives seems to be a little self-righteous.

 

Sometimes you make perfect logical sense - other times it seems as if it is a stream of drunken free wheeling drivel.

 

Exactly, you know soldiers used to choose to not fight. Now this does not inherently mean that things are more moral, but it means there's some balance, as opposed to now, when it is saldiers who WANT TO KILL, who join.

I don't think the same applies to all wars, I think that a war in korea would probably be justified. It's the one country that we've intervened in (in terms of civil war, fighting commies) that I don't feel ashamed of.

I don't think that everyone joins the military for the wrong reason, but I think that in the US, yeah, most currently do. I understand that there's probably a different culture where you live, remember our discussions about gun culture and all that? The john wayne wannabes are the ones who join up.

I also have met good people who have been in the modern army, but they're fewer and far between -- I do have a current friend who was a marine, and he paints a pretty disturbing picture as far as culture goes, just of life on a US base, not going overseas or anything.

As to the contrast of this all with my opinion on how just a war in korea would be, and if it work, I'm just talking my way through the possibility that we could have weakened and tired our military senselessly, and not be in a good position because of it.

I'm not saying that the US shouldn't intervene, I think that the kim dynasty does ongoing damage simply by existing, and it must come down at some point -- it may be much softer if it's sooner. I'm just lamenting wasting our military might and wearing our army down, physically and morally, in immoral wars waged for war profiteers and to keep people's dissatisfaction exported.

Anyway, this is the military that would be liberating the koreans.

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There have always been people that wanted to kill - even those that were drafted. If your point is this is more the case now than previously, I think you are wrong. You seem to be suggesting the modern military likes unthinking soldiers only willing to kill, and they don't want anybody else - which is ridiculous, and prejudiced on your part. A prejudiced opinion not born out with any facts.

Like I said, there are 4-5 million people in the modern U.S military - I would not think the majority have been watching one to many Rambo films.
I think it more likely a mindset to 'serve and protect' prevails - which, sadly, does mean killing people sometimes.
A killing mentality, I just do not recognise.
You are being slightly diplomatic now, rather than the black and white nature of your original post.
That's fair enough.

They are obviously entitled to their opinions.
Bradley Manning had his own views, too.
How fair and accurate were they?

I do not think the U.S is looking at a ground offensive akin to any recent war or previous war. If it does happen, there is plenty of troops willing and able.

 

If you say so : /