Am I the only member who believes Jesus had kids?

I know of at least one who spoke in tounges.....see, what i feel is an overwhelming calm and peace that starts in my head and shoulders and carry's Itself down to my feet....i have to go eat...

 

so are you pentecostal?

the role of the holy spirit in christianity has historically been extremely small - it wasn't really picked up until the pentecostal movement in what, 1906? that's 1900 years of history with very little emphasis on the holy spirit. as far as i know, pentecostals are still the only denomination that believe you will actually speak in tongues upon knowing the holy spirit. i'm quite sure they would be the only ones to tell you you haven't felt god until you spoke in tongues.

 

It is quite sad to see churchs stray so far from the Lord. God NEVER veers from his word. Pretty much every demonination speaks of the Holy Spirit. Yet, none of them bother to speak on the evidence. They claim that once you have excepted Jesus into your heart (which is merely the first step of repentance), that you are filled with the Spirit. That has no biblical claim whatsoever.

Rather than repeat myself, I will just link to an old post:

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=453144&postcount=1

 

so... you are pentecostal?

 

I think the word you are looking for in the middle there is "accepted" you have "expected"...

 

Sorry, typo I didn't even notice

As far as denominations, there shouldn't be any different branches (according to Ephesians 4:5). Without the Holy Spirit, one will always be lost, and according to Jesus, will not enter into his kingdom.


Yes, I belong to a Apostolic Pentecostal church. Apostolic being the message of the apostles they were given by Christ, to spread after his death. I have been to other churches where tongues were spoken, that were not pentecostal-affiliated. The infilling of Christ's Spirit is not a Pentecostal message that some pastor came up with. It is a message from the Lord in his book. If a church does not teach that, they hold no truth. False prophecy will pick things apart and distort the meaning. The apostles preached Christ's message, and false prophets turned their words around. That is why the message of His Spirit in most churches does not line up with the Bible.

 

interesting to say there shouldn't be denominations, but then to attend a denominational church. not judging, i just find it interesting. most people who believe that would attend a non-denominational church.

do you mind saying what other churches you have attended where tongues were spoken? i've never heard of that happening at another - what denomination was it? i'm very curious about that.

and while this of course does happen in the bible (being filled with the holy spirit and speaking in tongues), it is something that was not practiced in churches until partham and seymour and the pentecostal movement. i find it interesting that something like that, which you are advocating as a pivotal part of the christian experience, was not taken up by organized christianity until 1900 years after christ's death.

 

In grade school, I attented a private Christian school that brought in some guest speakers. I am not sure what church they were from, but needless to say, many people did not understand what was going on. I find it very, very sad that some people who attend church have never even heard of speaking in tongues when it is mentioned quite frequently in the Bible they hold.

During 325 A.D., the age of self proclamation took place. This is where men took it upon himself to claim that he had a revelation from the Lord and that he was shown a different, better way. Most practices of the apostles has been thrown out the window and replaced with newer, more convienent substitutes. For example, Calvaninsts, and Lutherans (another school I have attended) were both started by men who claimed to have a vision from God. A vision is possible, but the Lord will not show someone ways that go against what he has said.

Baptism has been changed, and being filled with the holy spirit has been changed as well as many other teachings of the Bible.

Non-denominational churches are open-minded to the point where all sight of God is lost. They believe that each person can find their own path to the Lord. Yet, the Lord tells us there is only one path.

 

The girl whom m pretty sure soke tounges is pentecostal as well....

 

I would find it more of a paradox if He taught that it is a good thing to love and to marry, and then to not do so. It is a life experience that I think could not be missed.
I just had to reply, since no one offered you an answer yet.
Mine is not much of an answer, but its all I have.

 

We live in a popular, celebrity culture that is obsessively fascinated with sex and with the sex lives (real and imagined) of the famous. By some unfathomable coincidence, that's just what this sort of speculation about Jesus resembles too. Jesus' sex life feeds a primal American habit of rejecting "the official story". If we wouldn't live in such a sex obsessed culture, no one would even have questions like this. Jesus makes clear, though marriage is holy, virginity is holy too. It is not a case of good and bad but of good and better. Jesus chose the way of virginity as a sign of his consecration to God. "Jesus also had sensual and sexual desires and a mate and lover in Mary Magdalene" how some people think-to equate this to indecency brings up feelings of sadness for me. That one of God's greatest gifts to us - the ability to Touch with Love, has been twisted in our culture into something shameful and indecent is one of the great tragedies of the human condition. Just my view.

 

Jesus chose the way of virginity as a sign of his consecration to God. Jesus also had sensual and sexual desires and a mate and lover in Mary Magdalene.
northernlehigh97

These two points contradict each other. I cannot see what you mean to say.
I totally agree with you about the tragic state of society.
Making love with ones lifepartner is not indecent, shameful, or sinful at all. It is beautiful, and spiritual, and a blessing.

 

The second part of that is a lot of people's theories, sorry I probably should have put quotation marks around the statement. I'll edit it for you, then you'll understand it. But I also agree with your last statement. It is exactly what you said if done after marriage.

 

thanks for clarifying, I can be pretty thick at times.