Horrific crime in London - man beheaded in broad daylight

Fucking filth indeed

 

It was disgustingly inhumane.

But, to say Islam is the problem is the same as saying that all Christians are a part of Westboro baptist church. You just can not pin point it to a religion. The fact that they stated the mens religion was wrong, it is just giving the idea that all Muslims have these ideals which is just not true and I feel for all the Muslims who are going to feel the hate directly from this. When there is a murder commited by a white christian man, they do not post 'Crazed christian attacks', it is not classed as a terrorist attack, so why is it that when a Muslim commits a similar crime they instantly become a terrorist?

 

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Now we have these fucking losers to deal with. Honesting the 'English Defense League' are just rascist white supermasists, they've no respect for anybody and always just pop up to cause trouble after events like this. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329290/Woolwich-attack-More-100-English-Defence-League-supporters-gather-near-scene-killing.html?ITO=socialnet-facebook-dailymail

 

An eye witness said that the victim was run over, then two men jumped out of the car and began hacking his head off with a butchers knife/meat cleaver. They then proceeded to shout things such as 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth' 'your governments don't care about you' until police showed up. Armed police were called, one man tried to attack a police officer who shot him. The other took out a gun and fired, which backfired on him (the joys of the gun black market), and he was then also shot. Both men were airlifted to hospital and are recieveing care..

 

can you please tell me the last time some extremist Christians beheaded someone in public???

Seriously folks, Christianity and Islam are nowhere close in ideology and comparing the two is ludicrous.

Remember Islam promotes and rewards violence on behalf of it's adherents, Christianity does not, at all.

The only things the two have in common regarding beliefs is the common ancestry coming from Abraham and both religions having their roots in the Abrahamic religion(s) of the Old Testament. That's pretty much it, after that they are so far from one another it's really silly and shows a lack of information to lump the two together.

Hell, remember the whole squabble between Jews and Arabs is an ongoing feud between brothers over an inheritance.

 

Sorry Mama, I wholly disagree.

Even if 98% of Muslims are nice peace loving people, the religion itself does teach, encourage, condone and rewards violent behavior against non-believers.

My concern and question is, given that the religion does teach and encourage violent action, just how devoted and committed to Islam are those 98% of them who are peaceful?
Could they be spurred to violent action based on their beliefs that encourage and reward it?

and if a Muslim commits a crime, I don't instantly think "terrorist", but when they loudly and proudly proclaim it, what ya gonna do?

 

It's only proper to criticize a religion if it's Christianity or by bringing up Christianity while discussing Islam or any other religion in a negative light. This is hipforums, I thought you knew that?! lol

 

Judge the action and the agressor, not other people that you can link to him through ideology or religion. If all people of the same ideology or religion would think they should act like this I guess we would know. Ah well, apparently some people already do think they know... unfortunately they seem to base their 'knowledge' on the news and media which mostly focus on the bad happenings in the world which are considered news and just like that ignore the majority of muslims that never hurt anyone because of their different ideology or religion.

 

not sure if you are in agreement with me or not, but I did more or less say the same thing.

If I saw the beheading happen and knew they were Muslim, I wouldn't automatically think "terrorist" I would think "crazy MoFo", but when they start proclaiming that the motivation was what they said, what other conclusions are you going to come to.

Plus, any of you that are in the least bit familiar with my stance concerning religions, I ALWAYS say "Don't judge the religion by the practitioners".
You need to make a separation between what asshole adherents do and what the religion teaches.
That was my point, Islam does promote violence in it's teachings more so than any other religion.
sooo,
the next question concerning the peaceful Muslims, at what point will their religious convictions and adherence to dogma/scripture take precedence over their own personal moral code?

I promise you, every suicidal bomber terrorist at some point made the shift in perception I mention above.
That applies to any ideology that utilizes terror tactics.

 

The soldier killed in an attack on a London street has been named as Drummer Lee Rigby of the 2nd Battalion the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.

Drummer Rigby, 25, from Manchester, leaves behind a two-year-old son.

Two men are under arrest in hospital after police shot them near Woolwich Barracks on Wednesday afternoon, in the aftermath of the attack.

The suspects, believed to include Michael Adebolajo, were known to security services, sources have said.

The victim's name was announced by the Ministry of Defence pending formal police identification.

"An extremely popular and witty soldier, Drummer Rigby was a larger than life personality within the Corps of Drums and was well known, liked and respected across the Second Fusiliers," the MoD statement said.

"He was a passionate and life-long Manchester United fan."

He had joined the Army in 2006, and is described as a "loving father to his son Jack" and someone who would be "sorely missed by all who knew him".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22644857#FBM242523

 

I've actually spent a fair bit of time attacking the dickheads who thought it was clever to invade the Middle East. It was obvious this sort of stuff would be a repercussion..

The fact remains however, that you shouldnt try and mix groups that dont like each other, that wont mix. Yet this was exactly what the British Establishment tried since the 1950s.
Constantly bringing in people from the 3rd world, to push down wages, and create basically a 3rd World in Britain. Where the David Camerons etc get ever more profits from fuck all.

One of the murderers here isnt actually of Muslim descent. He's Nigerian and of Christian ancestral descent, it would certainly appear. Yet he's become infected with this Muslim agenda crap.

ONly an absolute idiot would think its a good idea to mix a secular Christian country with low educated reglious fanatics from half way across the World. Britain never had a labour shortage. And if there was, it could have been solved by short term visas... just like the Arab states do, strangely enough.

I'm actually friends with some Muslims. On the surface, they all seem very affable and innocent. But if most people know exactly how so many of them operate, theyd never have been allowed into the country.

Ofcourse not many of them actually do stuff like Adebolajo. However, there are masses of them with a contempt for Britain and the British way of life. Ironically parts of Christian Africa were one place that had enough of a powerful Asian Muslim bloc a couple of decades backm and said "enough is enough, goodbye" Vast numbers of that group wound up in Britain. And the shit's still simmering.

The fact is, some groups arent compatible for living together. I mean no-one ever complains about the Chinese, Japanese or the Italians living in England. So its nothing whatsoever to do with racism. Its about suitability.

 

Not anymore, no, not so much.

 

I agree with you.
However, me personally when there is violence enacted by christian OR muslim extremists I talk about the religious zealots from both religions being ridiculous and disgusting.

 

how did you link my name to someone else's post?

 

At the risk of sounding somehow "unhip" I actually agree with you. Extreme christians are not usually as barbaric and unhumane as extreme muslims. (I know there are peaceful muslims and I'm not talking about them to anyone that's gonna tell me that islam is peaceful!)... Extremists muslims live in the dark ages.
But there is a lot of violence, more subtly, enacted by extremist christians as well.
But yea, the jews that feel they are the choosen ones and pretty much all the zionists extremists and barbaric muslim extremists are much worse than your average christian. That doesn't mean that psycho, fundamentalist christians though don't partake in the hate and religious delusions.

 

Sometimes, when one creates an Empire, one shouldn't be surprised when the former colonists come knocking on your door because the mess that the Empire created makes their homeland a dangerous place to live.

 

It looks as if I was going to multi-quote a few posts in this thread. Then decided not to. I hadn't realised your pos....It's a long story, bro.
I think you get the general idea. *changed*

 

Timothy McVeigh who detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building killing 168 people

Oh, thats right he didn't behead anyone just blew-up dozens of children - my bad


Hotwater

 

I have an idea...

How bout EVERYONE just gets kicked out of Israel and not allowed back in?