plans for a super-ultra-mega- hallucinogenic trip

Well, considering that dead people don't in general register or demonstrate surprise, methinks that shouldn't be too much of an issue....

So since so many of you are jumping on the "You're a fool", "You gon' die" bandwaggon, --Why?
What if the proposal were slightly less--- Say, 500mg diphenhydramine hydrochloride combined with 20mg ketamine and 300ug LSD? No MAOIs nor N,N,DMT, no caffeine, no salvinorin-A or cetera. <1gram total drugs. Would this evince safer conditions?

 

Generally speaking I'd say less would be safer, but I still don't see the point in it.


What incites you?

 

That'd be safe most likely, not sure about the dph but from what I've read it seems within the realm of safety.

I've mixed 3 hits of acid, an e pill, 75 mgs IM Ket and gbl on the comedown with no issues besides a lethargic following day.

Whatever you decide on, I'd probably leave the MAOI's out of the mix. I prefer 2 drugs for poly combos, 3 at the most, beyond that it's kind of a waste.

 

1. How was your experience on cid, exs, ket, and (gbl?) ?
2. 'poly' combo refers to ?

 

Mixing together all of those drugs might overwhelm your consciousness so much that you don't remember it. If you remember the SALVIA scale, a very high dose of salvinorin A will cause amnesia and I don't see it as unlikely that other psychedelics in high doses would do the same. In fact, I had an amnesiac response to a relatively mild dose of morning glories. Caffeine/coke will keep your body energized, but will not keep you conscious. Mixing it with the stimulating effects of LSD could give you a heart attack.

If you want to experience a polydrug trip, what's more popular (and more safe) is DMT on acid. It is a pretty potent combination.

 

I enjoyed it, however I would say I felt cognitively muddled towards the end, I remember being in awe of much of it, but It was kind of a psychedelic blur.

Referring to multiple drugs taken.

 

The potential mind-blowing experience induced with the assistance of a delirant + high dose psychedelic + weird dissociation from (ket, e.g.), whilst not blacking anything out.
In particular, the conscious "dream state".

 

I definitely think you should remove any MAOI's from the equation. Aside from that, I'd simply suggest that you tweak some of your intended dosages. Try to find a ratio that allows the chemicals to compliment eachother and create a balance to induce a higher state-of-being, as opposed to pushing it to a level that puts you in a state of utter confusion; too confused to gain anything from the trip or even remember the experience at all. Not to mention 500mg of diphenhydramine is already a moderately steep dose, and combining 300ug of LSD with that level of delirium could lead to a dangerous mishap, in which you might accidentally harm yourself, or someone else, due to your delirious and confused state-of-mind.

 

But then I wouldn't be able to experience as high brain bombardment of exogenous dimethyltryptamine, relative to reasonable amount consumed! :~\

I'll have you know that I have tripped on 1,500.mg of diphenhydramine HCl before; with no amnesia of the experience. The only intra-trip anguish was some mild bodyload; pre-, I went in with an optimistic mindset which is a plus sans Halloween setting; post-trip some lower digestive, erm, let's call it 'discomfort'. But I recall the trip distinctly and have no long-term repercussions, in fact I feel more whole as a result.
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Well, that is where a trip-sitter can come in to play. And btw, (at least according to Erowid.org), 300mics of orally consumed LSD-25 is considered a 'strong' dose (one notch below the highest, 'heavy'); however; I know individuals who have consumed lysergic acid dethylamide crystal exceeding the milligram boundary. LSD is really a rather safe substance. I am certain I can handle myself. My only concerns are physiological, not so much psychological.
(For the record: I *have* experienced 'bad' trips before, one spefically comes to mind involving high dose of 4-AcO-DMT which started out swell but took adark turn later on. I do not regret it in the least, however. Learned from it) as well as 'challenging' though I wouldn't call them 'bad' in the classical sense , with 30+x purified std.' extract of Salvia divinorum.
Regarding clear-headedness: Did anyone notice my idea of consuming witht he other substances a nootropic, e.g. Piracetam? These are known to promote lucid thinking, hardy mental states\well_being, and have been used in conjunction with such psychedelics as acid. Moreover, I hypothesize that this could combat some of the confusion experienced with delirium--the main concern being, that combating some symptoms of may overall rid the user of the subjective delirium, leaving basically just the physical 'side-'effects, which obviously is desired not.

 

Don't you get enjoyment from using single substance anymore?

 

Nope. In fact, I don't even enjoy life sober anymore....
Sike.

Of COURSE I still enjoy single-substance trips; indeed, many of those mentioned in just this thread are ones enjoyable on their own. Me really wants to try 4-HO-MET, described on erowid as producing "cartoonish" visuals--perhaps at an amusement park?
Or say mescaline, outside in a hike-type setting. Solely.


But this topic specifically, if you read the title, is about a SUPER ULTRA MEGA hallucinogenic trip--i.e., more than one substance. In appropriately high, complimentary dosages.

 

Didn't really get 'cartoonish' effect on homet, thought it is one of my favourites.
But visuals were really strong. 40mg was the most I did and it really melted me down to the point of having 5 second long memory and extremely small field of view. In fact, even 25mg was overwhelming.
Shulgin says 20mg max, people say 30mg max, I was stupid enough to take 40mg.
Thought some dude said he took 50mg IV, which imo is total bullshit.

I really liked 4-aco-dmt, but didn't have opportunity to test it in higher doses. Did 20mg of it. Had small bodyload but overall it was very euphoric. I was suspicious that the guy might have added some amphetamines to it, but as it shows sometimes you can get the 'hyped up' mood.

Wish I will get 2cx's some day...

 

I'd suggest you definitely not take nutmeg with all of that. As you probably know it makes you feel rather poisoned not tripping, plus side effects might last even up to week.

If you decide to take datura or datura-like drugs, just don't mix them and as a rule have a sitter. And I'd advice low doses of these. If it will feel like not enought, don't add up doses untill next day. Many people fucked themselves up on this one.

When do you plan to make this? Maybe consider someone recording it, I'd love to see that...

 

This is reasonably safe, and would actually provide you with an interesting experience. How are you taking that ketamine btw, because 20mg nasal is like a buzz for 10 minutes.

Your original proposal was utterly suicidal. You indeed remind me very much of cosmoknot, I had that thought before I read others saying it. Lots of people who go down the path of mixing and heroic doses die, it's simply a dangerous game.

Your original proposal was interesting in just how many hellish sub-groups of combinations you had combined into one completely diabolical brain destroyer. A lot of those drugs you want to mix, are not as good to mix as you think. Think MXE. Big red flag there . . . and you are messing with MAOIs and nutmeg . . . i would definitely forsee psych ward, death, or severe cognitive/emotional defects for a long time after that combination.

My advice is start slow, combine some of the subgroups in your dream combo first, and to basically avoid combining any psychedelic with diphenhydramine, I don't see the point. But then you're also talking about casually adding cocaine to the mix while you're on RIMAs and MXE and tryptamines and . . . yeah its too much either way you slice it not worth the patently obvious risk to your immediate survival. You'd be an extremely lucky man to puke up your concoction and live to tell about it.

 

orally, and not necessarily ketamine. Haven't decided on the dissociative yet. I would like similar durations of the three umbrella groups (deliriant \ psychedelic \ dissociative), or atleast come up at thte same time..

The only dose I listed that one would likely call 'heroic' on its own is the diphenhydramine. But then, I've experimmented with high doses of diphenhydramine, so I got a feel for safe level on its own.

MXE as in methoxetamine? What is wrong with MXE? I've had some helluva fun times with MXE, right up there with K.

I was being a tad facetious about the nutmeg..

Of those, death or physical distress are my only concerns.(The point of this isn't to OD and die!..) Psychologically I am prepared. I am fairly sound mentally. I've dealt with tough experiences before.

A classic serotonergic feel-good psychedelic combined to the recipe for a deliriant such as diph or brugmansia known for their scary-feel, negative emotions common with some, might just be a winner. Perhaps( hopefully!) the euphoria will predominate over any dysphoria!

not casually. And not necessarily cocaine; that is just one option to battle drowsiness. I'll probably just ingest caffeine instead. Not as stressful on the heart (though still some-what, plus is a vasoconstrictor and I have prehypertension). I twice in my life have snorted cocaine, and didn't much care for it. Seemed boring, but I certainly was alert. On the stimulant list I also am mulling around the idea of Adderall (which I in the past have been prescribed).-->That shit is no joke, especially the non-XR forumlation when [ab]used..

Well thank you for voicing your concerns. I shan't perish from combining drugs !

 

Victamon, you have heard from guerillabedlam and Mr. Writer, probably the two most knowledgeable people on these forums on the subject, via both extensive experience and formal education.

Their advice is certainly worth heeding.

Welcome to the forums, hope you hang around a bit.

 

The key-phrase being "on it's own". You don't know how combining it with all of those other substances will affect your nervous system. You might THINK you know, but you don't. None of us know, because drugs affect everyone differently. I've been known to take some insane doses of drugs; 148mg of xanax in a single afternoon, ~200mg of 2ce on another occasion. ~150mg of 4-AcO-DMT on yet another occasion. However, there is a thin line between heroic dosages/combinations and just being reckless. Like I said before, I would at least suggest that you take the deliriants and the MAOI's out of the equation, or even start with heroic doses of SOME of the things you mentioned and keep making additions for future journeys. It's all about balance, so you can get the most out of each substance.

And I agree with NoxiousGas. Writer and GB know what they're talking about. Now we just need porkstock to weigh in.

 

No, you pretty much suck at drugs.

 

Ahh.... RooRshack,
I see that Dale Carnegie course on how to win friends and influence people is really starting to work for ya.:2thumbsup:

 

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