Indian Supreme Court considering online porn ban

regardless of the OP's intent, I do think there's some abusive porn out there, which may or may not contribute to violence against woman...

 

Perfect time and place for a Freudian slip

 

great info you have here

 

I haven't been to this thread in a while, mostly because I needed time to sit back and think about it. And more and more, with all the rape going on in India, I almost say ban it just to make it stop, regardless.

 

When has banning something actually been the solution to any problems?

 

The idea of banning pornography because rapes happen is like banning video games because murders happen. There's no connection between one and the other, and not all porn is violent, much like not all video games are violent. It's just absurd and anyone in favor of it really isn't thinking very hard about the entire thing. It's just a knee jerk, feel good reaction that doesn't accomplish a thing except taking away freedom of expression.

 

Well like the OP said, she did a "poison the well" fallacy by floating the notion that there are no valid counter-arguments to her position, and an "over generalization fallacy" to suggest that this issue impacts ALL women the same way she has been impacted.

Her "personal experiences", which are implied to be negative, do not represent what others necessarily experience whether that be in India or globally. There are also cultural differences to account for (religious influences on gender roles, power play, hierarchy of a society, and the like) to consider as well. Anyway I'm repeating what I said on a previous page on this thread, anyway.

India, obviously is going through something right now and it has to take action that appeases the public. This stance is, in my view, the easy way out politically, and won't work to address the problem. Also given the political corruption I wonder how this can even be enforced if legislation bans porn. Are law enforcement officers going to raid every homestead in search "items" that can be deemed pornographic? Where's the definition line? Given the corruption in politics over there, I'd see politicians using this legislation as a weapon against their fellow politician or candidate running for office.

It's a can of worms.

Culturally, fathers and mothers are just going to have to tell their sons and daughters to keep their hands to themselves and not touch or hurt other people, especially sexually. I think the grown men who are dads, are passing on sexist beliefs to their sons, and there is a lack of respect toward women other than being the domestic, child-rearing, housewife or prostitute.

The disparity between the rich and poor in India is also creating lots of anger, and a sense of powerlessness and I think that feeds into why men rape women. Because as we know rape has a lot to do about power and control.

My hypothesis makes sense in light of the fact that well-to-do tourists have been raped in India as well.

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@Victoria,

Now that's not to say that the OP doesn't have a point that porn isn't influencing men (especially young boys) how to view girls and women. Since it is questionable if young people can differentiate between reality and fantasy; some can but this requires further study in my opinion.

I think even in the USA and UK it's illegal to expose impressionable youngsters pornographic material based on the logic that it can shape how they as grown adults are going to view the opposite sex. It's also valid to say that once an adult has a set opinion about something, it becomes harder for them to take on new points of view, they begin to get set in their ways.

But this is a regulation, not an outright ban like the OP is suggesting. Also, as has been mentioned before, not all porn shows rough treatment of women, not all of it is professional and sometimes, actual spouses perform online together for a thrill or for their own enjoyment on a recording medium to watch themselves later, AS A LOVING COUPLE, serving the purpose of a sexual diary or something.

I'd even go so far as to compromise with the OP and agree that India should ban depictions of a certain type of porn like porn that involves a woman being thrown and slapped around in an abusive manner physically, or depicts the scenario of rape or violation of a girl/woman's consent.

The OP did not address these realities and is in my view an idealist, and not a realist.

 

We ban child porn because it involves child abuse. I think that other forms of porn are produced with the consent of adults, which, in my mind, should be legal. I believe the problem sits with those who cannot control their impulses.

 

Dude, mario/duck hunt is violent as fuck, yesterday I was on a whole bunch of massive shrooms, stomping on/throwing fireballs at pissed off looking shroom guys and turtle-ducks.

And then I shot a whole bunch of ducks, with a totally realistic bright orange gun. Ducks that I had no intention in eating. And then I tried to shoot the dog when it laughed at me. That thing is like a murder trainer. We should ban all Nintendo Entertainment Systems, and behead those assholes that made them in 1985, because they encourage violence against women ducks.

 

Here's one issue regarding pornography. Much has been made of porn and its connection with violence against women by men (this is debatable though - Many studies have found little to no correlation). Personally I'm starting to find it tedious now. This appears to be the ONLY objection used by feminists in regards to the pornography debate.

What about the effect on men and how they perceive themselves? What about the insecurity it creates in men? How does it feel when you view women as "They don't want you, you're a loser, you are worthless" but here we have, over the internet, an entire fantasy world where women appear to do anything and everything with OTHER men at random.

It's almost like pornography is laughing at me. It is women laughing at me and saying "I'll have sex with any man except YOU".

Imagine a world where you haven't kissed, hardly hug, never had sex, feel shy in front of girls, have low self-esteem but... you've masturbated to pornography on a regular basis for almost a decade. Suddenly this whole 'sexual liberation' thing starts to seem a bit of a 'con'. I feel conned. I feel cheated out of life and love. And I believe much of that stems from pornography. It's not just about violence against women (assuming there even is a link, after all, they can hardly access porn in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia and look at how they treat women there) but more about how I view myself. I feel worthless to women. I just wish what I said was taken into account when women talk about the negative effects of pornography.

 

Never.

 

It's a free speech site. I like that. Glen , like us all , may opine however he deems fit. Funny , I have never heard or seen a "hawt" woman "dis" porn ; they like it as much if not more than we do. Regarding the boner repellent pictured above , that is the result of a lifetime of aversion to sex.

Ah, the reason for the lack of sexual freedom in india stems from bad attitudes not porn. Probably one of the least sexually free and most sexually inhibited cultures left.

 

Thank you. And now...you've hit the nail on the head of what actually causes rape. Check out the Catholic Church or prisons for another quick example.

P.S. little feminists who are only willing to see rape when it happens to women may want to stay out of this one and go on with their ignorant bliss.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076
YES!!! It's about time they started taking the smut offline.

 

Boooo bad

 

if they ban porn they will just have more rapes there.

P.S: you can still jack it without porn

 

I don't think that they are taking anything offline, just making it blocked by default. You just have to change a setting to get all of the porn you want.

 

Certain types of porn will be banned and basically veted to be the same sort of thing you can buy in uk sex shops.

Also quite a number of blogs are blocked as adult sites peter tatchells blog was blocked by 02 at one point.

 

Well what can I say? We feminists have been, having meetings face to face, lobbying and petitioning for some time now and it looks like they're starting to listen. In fact I have a meeting tomorrow morning where we'll be dicussing the recent developments. Myself and the rest of the feminists are going to keep looking for ways to make this partial ban a full out erradication of smut.

But fear not... You blokes can start a facebook page and show the government you mean business. I'm sure they're all taking notes.

In the meantime thank you for your apathy, lazyness and arrogance.
Because it's nice to win a few battles now and then.

 

Does this mean they will have to close down the temples in Khajuraho?