Monotheism vs RestOfTheWorld vs Enthogens

Being a spiritual person is all about your personal connection with God and Christ consciousness on a very immersive & spiritual level. It will involve true feelings of bliss and joy and all manner of wondrous things to see and sounds to hear, through God's eternal kingdom via personal enquiry. The best way to describe this experience for modern westerners is beyond any doubt, psychedelia, but without the psychedelics, because those are unnatural drugs.:2thumbsup:


I know this for certain because I've experienced union with the source consciousness through straight meditations and on separate occasions, the psychedelic drugs – both landscapes and approaches felt exactly the same, there was no separation, apart from a slight body load with the psychedelics because I had drank some very acidly and astringent tasting chemicals.:cheers2:


So, if your religion has never given you this experience, and be truly honest in yourself here, then it means that your religion is well and truly.................errrrr...................rooted in the material, I think would be the most polite and least blunt way of putting it. Thank you for asking.


"Becoming the Source"

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Different psychedelics may feel closer to Christ consciousness than others
Quality of psychedelics may go down as well as up, ask your local ethnobotanicals.
Quality of meditation may depend on dedication and integrity, consult the internet.
Anybody can be a visionary sage, not just the “Chosen Ones”
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Nice that you know that for certain and have no doubts. I have another conviction myself: what may work for you doesn't have to work for everyone.

 

Hello Asmodean. One of the benefits of psychedelics is that you don't need faith for them to work; they work by themselves, faith is not required. Therefore, everybody on the planet can be certain, no more guessing all the time, and no need of a saviour, be it the pope, Jesus, or otherwise.

 

The thing regarding psychedelics, which has been used since the dawn of time to supposedly reach the divine, is that they have been proven to alter the mind toward a state of delusion. Nothing experienced while under such a condition can be trusted as real.

 

And yet, you have never been there.

 

Irrelevant. One does not need to eat feces to know it is not a good thing to do.

 

This sounds like unnatural law talking. Would you have said that if you lived 20,000 years ago? What kind of medicines do you think your local doctor have given you back then?

 

Once again, irrelevant. I live in the now.

 

So long as it can be experienced with the five senses and passes the scrutiny of repeatable tests to ascertain its verifiability.

 

Spoken like a true atheist Maelstrom

For me, If it wasn’t for psychedelic knowledge expansion, I would have become an atheist by now, or a Christian, as it happens, I'm delighted to be somewhere in the middle.

 

Nothing wrong with atheism. :sunny:

 

I could say this counts the same for me but I'm not sure at all if that's solely due to psychedelics. I'm inclined to think I'm somewhere in the middle regardless of any 'psychedelic knowledge expansion'. I'm sure it had an influence on my insights but I don't give it more credit than that :2thumbsup:

 

Nothing wrong with either by definition :daisy:

 

Not much in a mind remains irrelevant when LSD is taken. In my opinion,to compare the known (and debatable ) results of LSD ingestion and the empirical knowledge gained thereof to the knowlege of the ingestion of feces,is specious at best and wrong headed in any case. To stimulate the conscious mind and release the unconcious mind should in no way be compared to the results of eating a turd.

 

You misunderstood, scratcho.

I was merely comparing the irrelevance of experience. One does not need to ingest psychedelic drugs to know it is bad for the body and mind just as one does not need to ingest feces to know it is not good for the same reasons.

 

Well,I'd have to disagree with you there. But in order to explain why(which I've done on here before) I'd have to go into my alcoholic,dangerous ,foolish and destructive behaviour that I embodied for years and how with the first hit of LSD, the danger-the alcohol and the destruction completely disappeared forever. But I guess I just did.

(the foolishness didn't--still a goof sometimes) But--to each their own,I sez.

 

I think it speaks more about Maelstrom's cluelessness regarding Psychedelics more so than any stance on spirituality. I identify with atheism and disagree with the comment...

The amazing thing about Psychedelics is that they do effect all 5 senses and being that their affects are acute, psychoactive within a couple hours at most, allows for a degree of repeatability.

Did you have a particular stance on religion prior to exploring Psychedelics?

I have certainly had spiritually oriented trips, however I feel this has driven me further away from any organized religions. I don't understand why I'd confine myself to a particular religious institution when I can have acute spiritual experiences via entheogens.

 

Considering that no two people have precisely the same experience, the results of ingesting psychedelics is not repeatable. Thus, the experience is a byproduct of mind altering delusion.

 

The results of psychedelics are repeatable in the simple fact that they alter your consciousness. How do you think drugs like aspirin and Vicodin get approved to be used as medicines? By their effectiveness being repeatable.

No two people have precisely the same experience with most phenomena, which is clearly evident in this thread.