Hey all. I haven't been around for a while. How have you guys been? I have been tripping far, far less. I have exclusively been using mushrooms for my journeying. I have always heard about iboga ceremonies and how they help people "come of age." My questions are: Does anyone have any experiences? Is it possible for a man in the U.S. to partake in iboga's introspective benefits? I love you.
I have heard very little of Ibogaine being used in Western culture... I think the lack of a social/cultural context in which to safely and most effectively use Iboga might give you some difficulty during the trip if it starts to go left at any point... but I wouldn't let that deter you, shouldn't be more than a small obstacle (if an obstacle at all) for an experienced voyager like yourself. Make sure you've done your homework and consulted the literature before you decide to do anything however... Remember, the first stop for any serious psychedelic voyager should be the library! I'll update this post in a bit, I'm on a mobile device right now so I'm trying to be precise
Thank you. I will definitely read up on it. I have been out of the RC scene for a long while. I am not sure if things even work the same. Do you know of any viable options for similar things to iboga? I would be looking for natural things of course. Iboga is schedule 1, so obtaining it may be some feat, I would be interested in any "legal" alternative or any story of obtaining iboga itself.
If you can score ibogaine, do it. I had tried about 10g of iboga root bark powder. It was nowhere near enough for a break through but I did get a hint at it's power. This is a great drug if you are like me and don't really remember your childhood. It's a memory retriever of sorts. And it has an large SSRI effect that is the 'after glow' for a day or so after the trip. The puking very much sucks. I would not try it again unless it was ibogaine. There is an addiction clinic in Toronto that will not only do monitored ibogaine for opiate treatment but for a whopping 5k, they will set you up with a room, the drugs and some aftercare for those who just want the experience.
Hi CoolRunnings, Spicey Cat posted an iboga trip report awhile back, ill provide the link. may be of interest to you... http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=418281&f=48 Iboga has a pretty complex pharmacology, the closest way from my understanding to emulate the effects would be to mix Salvia Divinorum with Psilocybin Mushrooms, I think its obvious those combos might be quite different but it would satisfy the Kappa Opioid and 5ht2a agonism which are present from an iboga trip.
Okay, so just to elaborate a little further; Ibogaine has not really been used in "recreational" contexts in Western societies... it's primary applications in our culture have been in the realm of psycho-therapy and addiction treatment, and most of this work is still done in the underground in the US due to legality issues. So you're hurling yourself into the great Abyss of the unknown if you're planning on going about this in a recreational context and setting. But don't let that deter you! We need pioneers, and somebody has to make that initial plunge.... not to mention you can probably safely extrapolate certain core effects/features by looking at the data from Ibogaine psychotherapy and addiction treatment sessions (and there's actually a decent amount of this online). One thing to note; dosages for ibogaine are relatively unknown, and obviously depends on whether you're using scrapings from the root bark or chemically synthesized ibogaine.... If you've got the root bark of Tabernanthe Iboga I've read reports of dosages ranging from 10g (dried) to 20g. I wouldn't go farther than that, and if you insist on taking more, start with a dose of 20g or less and wait several hours to see how it's going to hit you, and whether or not any dangerous physiological responses occur. From what I've read, the root bark of Tabernanthe Iboga is in the range of 5% ibogaine by weight. Be sure to give this compound a lengthy amount of time for onset (at least 2 hours), because I've read reports of rather delayed onset of effects and in situations like this it's easy to over-dose because many people don't give the drug enough time to manifest it's effects and end up taking more before the initial dose has even fully digested, and then three hours later they end up regretting that decision when both doses hit with the force of a freight train.... Now if you're looking at synthesized ibogaine hcl, I would stay in the 200-500mg range. But don't quote me here... I've read very little about Ibogaine dosages in its crystalline synthesized form. Do a lot more research if you're planning an experience with pharmaceutical grade Ibogaine. Check out the TiHKAL entry on Ibogaine here for more accurate information. The Bwiti cults in Gabon use the stuff in ungodly amounts... I probably shouldn't even be mentioning this in the same post (for purposes of harm-reduction) but Fernandez and Schultes observed Bwiti ceremonies in which 300-1000g were consumed within a 24 hour period, with two or three periodic doses. People die regularly during these ceremonies or initiations; there are many documented cases of manslaughter charges being leveled against Bwiti cult leaders for the fatal overdosing initiates. This is pretty horrifying, yet relatively common practice among certain Gabonese cults (although it should be noted for sake of thoroughness that there is no evidence these cult figures intended to fatally overdose people; the Bwiti's intent for the ceremony is to "break open the head"..... mission accomplished I guess). As far as the effects of the drug itself; I really can't say, as I have never taken it myself. However, some things to make note of: - The drug has strong emetic properties, and most people who take an effective dose report strong bouts of vomiting and nausea. Be prepared to lay down for the duration of the trip, and plan out a comfortable setting in which relaxing and laying down will not be an issue. Many reports indicate that it has a very immobilizing effect when you get into the effective dose range; movement becomes strenuous and can be a chore. Laying down in a cool, well ventilated area with water at your side should you be able to take some small sips is probably a solid idea. Some people report nausea more prominently than others and it seems that with most people the nausea will pass in the first couple hours following onset. Either way; be prepared to do some purging. - Ibogaine can act as a strong aphrodisiac, an effect which becomes more pronounced in certain settings or with certain individuals (i.e. with your girlfriend). McKenna used to say it was probably the only real aphrodisiac in existence, as most substances labeled as such are really only chemicals which produce prolonged erection, genital itching, etc. Ibogaine is supposed to genuinely enhance and deepen sexual desires, satisfaction and intimacy between partners. If you're in a setting in which sex might be an option; give it a shot if you're feeling it... I've heard some anecdotal reports that it literally adds a whole new dimension to love-making and that this effect is unique to Ibogaine. However if you're not in a situation where there is sexual stimuli, getting horny/trying to fuck people shouldn't be an issue.... According to most reports, the aphrodisiac effect is almost unnoticeable unless your in a situation which piques sexual interest to begin with. - Last but not least: DURATION. This stuff lasts a LONG time. Be prepared for a solid 24 hour voyage, it will usually be a bit less than that but make sure you have a solid set before diving into such a lengthy experience. Due to the rarity, dubious pharmacology, intensity and duration of Ibogaine it would be a good idea to have a sitter with you during this voyage. Maybe just someone sitting in a different room, so that you could just yell or ring a bell or something for assistance should the trip start to veer off the beaten path. Be prepared to be in hyperspace for up to 24 hours, just in case. Also I think it would be wise to give yourself an additional 24-48 hours after the trip has ended to just let your body return to equilibrium, and work through any potential negative side-effects. Use this time to lay around and rest, get plenty of sleep and a nice big meal. I'll wrap it up here as I already blew past my intended stopping point. And one last thing I feel should be pointed out; most reports consider Iboga to be one of the more introspective/personal psychedelic substances. I have heard from multiple sources that Ibogaine is absolutely ruthless in its scathing evaluation of the self; if there's something you've buried, are running from, or trying to hide, be VERY careful because this stuff WILL likely get you at some point during the experience. I've heard it equated to a sit-down with a stern father to discuss the many ways in which you've been fucking up in life... So if you're planning on approaching this from a purely recreational angle and don't care to confront or work through any personal/psychological issues you probably should steer clear of this stuff (and psychedelics in general for that matter, but especially this stuff). Be prepared to face your demons and do some deep deep soul-searching. Also there appears to be some significant cardio-regulatory effects from this compound, so just be mindful of that. Your heart WILL start racing/pounding and it might weird you out during the trip; just know that this is a well documented effect of the drug, and that in a safe dosage range you are at no significantly higher risk of cardiological issues.... However, if you have pre-existing cardiology issues, obviously don't take it. Here are some more resources to look into: History of Ibogaine Usage in U.S. Links regarding the science and pharmacology of Ibogaine Miscellaneous information Erowid Ibogaine Vault (figured I'd throw the obligatory Erowid listing in for good measure) Ibogaine Wikipedia Have a safe and meaningful journey and be sure to report back here if you decide to go through with it! :sunny:
I am definitely not interested for any recreational benefits. I am looking for a coming of age experience. I fel that humans are plagued with many addictions. Worrying, thinking, procrastinating, these are all addictions. I am looking to follow the guidance of Iboga.
I don't think anybody ever takes iboga recreationally. But it's good to distinguish between "I'm doing this for reason x" and "I'm doing this because heroin and oxy own my soul"
