So it's a gamble?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by scratcho, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Last night on the news, a large company(?) is getting indicted on insider trading. They made millions by letting each other and their friends know corporate moves before they happened and made financial moves accordingly. OK. So it's against the law to do that, hence the legal trouble. If it's against the law to know what's going to happen in the markets before it happens, then that would mean you're not supposed to know ---you're supposed to GAMBLE on results like (supposedly) everyone is supposed to do when they invest. If you like a company and they do well--you GAMBLED --You won. If they go bust --you GAMBLED and lost. If it's admittedly then a GAMBLE to invest --why do/did republicans want to switch seniors retirement funds--social security-- to the markets instead of the way we get our SS now?

    Doing so would more than likely have resulted in the size of retirees checks going up and down --JUST LIKE THE MARKETS. Yeah--take a GAMBLE with what may be your only source of retirement funds. Where's the security in that? Except the money fuckers getting ahold of the SS funds to pull the usual sleight of hand on older citizens for corporate benefit. [​IMG]

    To the fuckers for whom there is never going to be enough money---Just kiss my honkey ass--would you please??[​IMG]
     
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    Oh, the reason they want to put social security into the markets is to make it easier for the markets to steal their money. But you knew that already.

    Sucks ass don't it?
     
  3. slappysquirrel

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  4. monkjr

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    This is what Joe Biden was calling out Paul Ryan on during the VP debate of the 2012 election.

    This also explains why a good chunk of the super rich elites seem to be expressing a "well life's tough, I'll pray for you" attitude to any average middle class or poor Joe who lost their savings-investments or had to dig into it prematurely to keep the bills, rent/mortgage paid and food on the table because of the 2008 collapse.

    Now granted, throughout the 90's, many average families, despite good economic times, WERE NOT exercising the financial advice to ALWAYS save about 35% of your paycheck when times were good, so you have some endurance during bad economic times.

    But that doesn't justify the cold-hearted, politically motivated rhetoric many are uttering. It harms the country at a macrolevel, to serve the micro purpose of getting a few politicians reelected by their district the next election season.


    There needs to be a wild card thrown into the mix of all this, and the only way that's going to happen is if the electorate is not made of single-issue voters who are fueling the statistics of what a local politician should say and support.

    There needs to be more pragmatic, realistic, voter block where one issue (like abortion, immigration, economy, foreign policy, and education) is not gonna dominate how they vote. Voters like this making their vote competitive to the public debate and so politicians aren't beholden to the extreme views of a chunk of voters that are not apathetic because they care about 1-2 issues so much that they still vote.

    ^This is the ultimate troll to all political statisticians if a HUGE unexpected voter block of Americian citizens who was previously apathetic, came out and voted after doing research on issues. If this happened it would be huge news during an election cycle.
     
  5. SuperXX

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    Those Politician don't have responsibility in what they're doing. I guess
     
  6. scratcho

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    A thumbs down on my original post? Can't follow logic, to whomever gave it?
     
  7. A lot of government supporters on this site these days obviously. Maybe sexual deviation and right wing politics go hand in hand,oh and almost forgot........god fearing ;)
     
  8. scratcho

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    I agree. A surprising number. And they usually resort to the lowest common denominator--type arguments. Name calling and such. Like their idols on fox.
     
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    it's revenge for all the trolling the tea-party forums got.

    i think there's been an increase in right wing dur-trolls (the ones that scratcho describes) across the internet over the last few years.
     
  10. monkjr

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    Probably, this is gonna sound a bit ageist, but I think that the older generations who are on the internet, don't get the concept of getting trolled and therefore are more vulnerable to it.

    The younger generations (last 1 and a half decades or so) might understand that they need not react to trolling because it makes them win.
     
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    I... I still fit into the younger generation... I do... I DO. Just.

    *sobs*


    (I agree that it's easier for younger people to get their head around, and deal with trolling.

    But I also think the internet was dominated by left leaning liberal thinking early on. It's the monied, educated, tech-savvy younger folk who led the charge into online community building. The right wing lagged behind in their webskilz. They are now catching up, including the immature trolley ones.)
     
  12. monkjr

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    Nah I disagree, I've seen both liberal policy toting trolls and conservative toting trolls.

    In fact, you can never tell a troll's political affiliation because the art of trolling involves saying ANYTHING to get a reaction, and as long as a continued reaction as possible for entertainment. You don't even have to believe what you're type-telling someone on a forum to troll.


    I will agree that the younger generation is more tech-savy, but not more or less monied or educated than the older folks.

    Some of the most conservative people I know are actually pretty well off and well educated.
     
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    Oh no, I agree nowadays it's everyone for themselves free-for-all when it comes to politics and attitudes.

    Just think it used to be more left biased. The GOP just set up a tech unit with some guy from google and he said in silicon valley no-one liked admitting they were republican because there's a stigma to it.
     
  14. Mike Suicide

    Mike Suicide Sweet and Tender Hooligan

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    Members of Congress have immunity to Insider Trading prosecution, so they don't have to gamble.
     
  15. Meliai

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    yeah I think its a pretty horrible idea .....I had a small inheritance from my grandma and I lost it all when the market crashed in '08 or whatever year the recession first hit. It was tied up in mutual funds which is supposed to be one of the more stable investments, and *poof* it was gone in one day.

    Luckily I wasn't using it to live on - I had used some for school and was going to use the rest to go back to school . Investing money people need in order to survive, have worked their entire lives to earn, in a system that can cause money to disappear that quickly is just a horrible fucking idea.
     
  16. monkjr

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    There were whistleblowers who were trying to warn the public, but almost nobody heard them in time to protect their own investments.

    Also if you're Republican, fight the stigma by fighting the problems that are causing the stigma.
     

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