Al-lad

6-allyl-6-nor-lysergic acid diethylamide...
What do you know about it, Any experiances, US Legality?

Let me know...

 

It's not really sold by any of the research companies i know. It's definitely illegal by the analogue act and probably not even manufactured very often anymore.

You might find it in LA though. Probably just being sold as LSD.

 

im gonna agree that its likely illegal as an alalouge.

hit up wikipedia and/or erowid to confirm

 

analogues, as are most RC's but my point was I could say it was to kill rats at my house, but I cant say that about LSD...

so back to the real question anyone know about it from personal experiance or anything?

we need to convince a chemist to make some...

 

Never even heard of it

any different than good ole lucy

 

i would think that it would probably fall under the umbrella of the FAA. but ive heard that some of the lsd analogs are better than lsd itself. who knows? they seem pretty abstract but i would jump at the chance to taste them

 

yeah... i hope one day there will be a vendor selling LSD analogs, that would basically be amazing...

 

^^^^amazing yes, but i think it would be unlikely. the problem is that selling something that potent is a HUGE liability. i would say that most people would have a hard time getting sub-milligram doses right and if a vendor did sell these, it would be likely that people would accidently overdose, do something stupid, and attract the attention of law enforcement. the DEA would be all over that shit like selling something like the 2c-drugs where a gram would provide 50~ doses is one thing. but selling a chem where a gram would produce up to 10,000 doses, well, lets just say that shit wouldn't fly. also anyone with the know how to synthesize these lsd analogs would stand to make much more money distributing it like acid rather than selling big(figurativley) bags of the pure chem. i would say that our most likely chance of being able to dose these chems is for one of the major acid manufacturers to make a batch rather than lsd. unfortunately the only way i see this happening is if they were either more potent or less difficult to synthesize, and as of now, i don't think that is the case. who knows though advances in chemistry continue to happen and it wouldn't surprise me if one of these analogues became as prevalent as acid during our lifetime

 

its definitely under analouge act, primarily due to the lysergic acid restrictions.

according to tihkal/shulgin, some of the LSD derivatives are not only as effective, but in some cases more potent, reuiring smaller dosages.

 

do you have an examples of which derivatives were more potent... I am too lazy to go find a copy of tihkal and flip through it.

 

I'm not entirely sure about US legality, I think it may fall under the analogue act, and I heard synthesizing it produces LSD at one point, making the synthesis illegal. Apparently in the UK and I believe here in Canada it's legal. Don't take my word for it though. However, I have seen suppliers carrying it, in fact I ordered 450ugs a couple hours ago. When/if it arrives I'll be sure to post.

 

AL LAD is not explicitly scheduled in the US but if you were to get caught with it, it's likely it could be prosecuted under the analogue act.

 

there's the TIHKAL entry.. you're probably not going to find this chem without a bachelors degree in o-chem and a lot of "effort" that which Law Enforcement would like to call illegal..

 

Ah.. It's got it's niche in the RC Market.

 

I'd speculate that there would be quite the market for among concourses, and an even greater market for people to misrepresent the compound as LSD. Both cases would a prime candidate for prosecution under the Federal Analogs act here in the USA.

I haven't done much research...to be frank, i find lysergamides to be kind of abrasive.. (they tend to be very anxiogenic for me, AND i seem to be somewhat hypersensitive to their effects).

eace:

 

yup it's definitely going around, probably for the first time in quantities beyond a chemist's circle, and 450 micrograms produced an amazing trip on par with LSD, just shorter-acting. minus some other differences. had I been sold AL-LAD as LSD I would not be disappointed and it's possible I wouldn't have noticed had I never tried it knowing that's what it is. The difference is the peak seems to be around the 3 hour mark instead of 2 hour mark like it's cousin, and the effects only last 6 to 8 hours instead of 9 to 12 hours. Very spiritual experience if that's the kind of thing you're looking for.

also as far as I've been told, there were no illegal precursors required in the production of AL-LAD or LSZ and that information is either outdated or false that it required LSD in synthesis.

 

the shorter duration makes it a bit more appealing than lsd for me

 

yeah that makes it sound like a really chill chem.

Maybe someday

 

Well, I said I'd post back, so here we go. Shulgin was right when he said its 'one of the best materials ever'. This isn't meant to be any sort of 'trip report' but just a spontaneous relation of the events based on memory and some notes I had put into my phone. Can't give accurate times, because of time dilation/contraction, and the fact that time really only crossed my mind a couple times. But I know there really isn't a whole lot of information regarding experiences, so here's a little contribution if anyone can benefit from it.

The week before I had tried 150ugs. It was a very pleasant experience, but nothing extraordinary. I always felt like I was just about to drop off into the void, but just wasn't given that extra push. So last evening, I dropped two blotters (300ugs) in my apartment at about 7:15PM. At until about t+3 I was feeling real restless, getting lots of awesome physical sensations, and things were moving around a bit in my visual field. I was thinking this was going to be rather disappointing, that's why the compound is still legal. I decided to take a walk outside, as I figured the pitch black darkness and all the other activity going on would get things going a bit.

After I had walked down the road for about 10 minutes, I noticed the traffic lights up ahead were making a strange sort of laser light show. I thought that was pretty cool. And that's when it just shot up to a full blown trip. I was walking in a very familiar area, yet it was all completely alien, everything was warping and shifting. The dark night became alive with incredible colours which often brought waves of nostalgia. The headlights that were coming towards me had a glare which became, and this is the only way I can describe it, 'digital rainbow porcupines' flying towards me. The moon had become a sort of neon-rainbow Mayan glyph, with several twin specters around it. I watched a man walking in front of me start to shrink to about 2 ft, then regrow but without arms. Then he became an egg walking towards me, but walking away at the same time. Incredible cartoonish OEVs like these were almost everywhere. Also lots of synesthesia. Concepts, feelings, and sounds would combine into one single image/smell/physical sensation. It seemed so hard not to grin like a maniac at the absurdity of it all. It was just incredible. Bizarre thought patterns were evident, but I still felt I had a sane inner monologue keeping me grounded. The peak dropped off considerably after about an hour, but that's also about the time I came back in with the lights and computer on, and that always detracts from the experience for me. But up until maybe the 5-6 hour mark, there was still a lot of visual activity, and neon kalaidascopic OEVs if the lights were off. Also a considerable amount of that insightful sort of thinking. Watching the Matrix on the comedown was seeing it for the very first time, it just felt like one big revelation somehow. I came down very gently, staying up on the computer voluntarily for another couple hours. When I decided I was bored, I fell asleep in minutes (around t+10, but I know I could've fallen asleep as soon as t+7 if I wanted to).

Also what I found amazing about it as well, was it seemed like there was sort of inherent safeguard against a bad trip, if that makes any sense. Right as I was coming up, I got a call from a family member. Since he experiments himself with psychoactives, I told him that I had taken a psychedelic...turns out he was on speaker phone with his wife and kids, who are not cool with it lol. I passed it off as a joke, but it was very, very uncomfortable. Something that I was sure would ruin the trip...yet the thought just never seemed to be able to penetrate into my real emotions, if that makes any sense. At one point I formulated various plans to mitigate the possible repercussions of that admission, and strangely enough, I'm sober right now, and the solutions seem just as viable and effective as they did when I was tripping- they weren't just drug fueled nonsense. Also, later I walked down into a dark, extremely frightening path and under a bridge. It was terrifying, I was hearing malevolent voices speaking to me, yet I couldn't make it out. In the pitch black, everything looked like some sort of bizarre but dangerous animal squirming around or simply sitting there breathing and waiting. The fear felt like an all encompassing entity all around me, yet I felt it just couldn't affect my emotions, it was just thrilling. However, this is just a subjective experience. I have heard reports of terrible trips with this compound. But they don't seem to be very common at all.

All in all, this is a true gem, no doubt about it. I really hope this bit were seeing here isn't just a one-time thing. I've got 1.5mgs more coming, so I hope to boost up the next experience to 525 or 600ugs, and keeping the experience indoors due to the significant increase in dose.

 

OOOh. Now I see where you guys are all getting this stuff. I'm gonna pick some up and report back when I try it! This stuff sounds fantastic.