Is Syria the New Iraq?

Agreed.
But... who wants this war?
I don't think many people...

 

I don't think the planners of this actually know what will happen if those ships start lobbing bombs into Syria. It won't be good--. If they don't plan to take out the leaders, they will continue killing their citizens. Damn, what a complicated place is the middle east. The whole mess is going to continue as long as the oil companies have our "leaders" and actually the whole world by the sacks.

 

War with Syria is bigger profits for big oil. Oil shares on Wall Street are up 10% in the last week.

 

Yeah---war is big business. The OIL interests basically control the modern world.

 

I just want to remind anyone who wasn't paying attention when this started that the only reason the UN hasn't passed a resolution against it is because of Russia's veto power as a member of the Security Council. We did care when Assad began killing his own citizens and the only reason we didn't get involved is because we were trying to avoid unilateral action like we used in Iraq.

Chemical weapons are expressly forbidden by the Geneva Protocol and the Chemical Weapons Convention. If we let Assad get away with this, we open up a dangerous precedent where nations are allowed to use chemical weapons freely against their own people without fear of retaliation. What if Assad decides, emboldened by the lack of action by the West, to use same chemical weapons against Israel? Israel, of course, has WMDs of their own, and could use nuclear devices against Syria or Iran. This is a precipitous position that we are in, and we don't need to bring in conspiracy theories to explain how important of a decision we are faced with.

I'm not saying that I support military action in Syria, but given the brief and precise nature of this mission (taking out chemical weapons capacity, not regime change), and the importance of the issue we are facing (enforcing an international ban on chemical weapons), this definitely is not another Iraq. If you want to call it anything, call it another Libya or Kosovo, a brief sting operation with no boots on the ground, where the question is not whether it should be done but whether we are the ones who should do it.

 

At age 19, I know you weren't around for the whole Iraq war, because it started back IN 1990 when Shrub daddy(bush41) was POTUS. That was supposed to be a limited strike in operation DESERT STORM. See how things progress?

Senator Bernie Sanders sends me a news letter every week..Here's what he says about Syria....

While saying “there is no debate about the horrors of chemical warfare or the ruthless nature of the Assad regime,” Sen. Bernie Sanders on Thursday voiced “very deep concerns” about President Obama's request for Congress to authorize military strikes against the Assad regime. Bernie’s concerns have been echoed by hundreds of calls and emails coming into his office – overwhelmingly in opposition to the president’s proposal.

He worried that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee added broad language to a resolution that could lead to even greater and longer-lasting U.S. military involvement in Syria’s bloody and complicated civil war. He raised doubts about the law of unintended consequences if the U.S. launches missile strikes. He also expressed deep concern about the United States unilaterally launching missile strikes without the support of the United Nations or NATO and the precedent that could set.

 

Yeah, honestly... when the U.S. goes into Syria, you might as well just pretend that shit about limited time and no boots on ground and whatever else doesn't even exist... because it won't for long. You don't go in and out that easily. Syria seems like it'll be really hard to get out of it. Libya was an anomaly.

 

You're catching on real good. But Libya isn't over, they've got lots of chemicals too.

 

Do you guys think Obama will attack without Congress?

No's are far ahead so far..

 

STP...
I don't know. Well, okay...yes, I think the attack is going to happen.
Because I think all this shit is in the plans to be going down.
Maybe I'm wrong though? That would be nice.

 

Yeah, Idk. I think you're right, but people will be mad.

Esp since Candidate Obama said the President does not have power to attack without Congressional approval! What a short-term memory America has!

 

Well, he certainly has the authority to do so. I think it could go either way at this point.

 

The U.S. government is owned by corporate business, not the people. The SCOTUS has ruled that corporations are people, and money is free speech, so the industrial military complex(military contractor corporations) and big oil corporations have bought congress, the POTUS, and the SCOTUS. War with Syria is big profits for them, so yes, it's going to happen.
All this charade, with the cons saying no, is just an attempt to blame Obama for the mess that is about to happen.
I asked if Romney was POTUS, would the republicans be against the attack, or if Rand Paul would be objecting. The only response I got was from riptide, which of course didn't answer the question, because he's a moron. No surprise.

 

Wow! Certainly? You don't think them not being a threat to our security matters at all? Plus, the war powers act itself is Unconstitutional which cause a conflict; The 10th Amendment and the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution, puts the Rights/Constitution above all Laws. This means if a law is Unconstitutional, it is automatically null and void.

But typical American Exceptionalist think it's okay to effectively govern the world through the use of military force.

 

As always, your precious Obama has done nothing wrong, and it's all the stupid cons fault! Should've seen that coming!

 

I was simply stating that, legally speaking, POTUS has the authority to carry out strikes against Syria if he deems they are necessary to our national security. Whether you or I feel Syria threatens our national security is irrelevant.

To date the War Powers Act has not been challenged on Constitutional grounds and, as such, is entirely legal. If you don't like it then, by all means, begin your legal challenge through the proper channels.

 

I didn't answer that question because I honestly do not know what the republicans objecting would be doing then. I do think some of them WOULD be for it and some of the dems. that are for it now wouldn't be then. That is obviously how it goes on both sides. Both sides are a diversion and yes, they bicker and do things just to create gridlock and arguing between sides...to keep people divided and distracted. (btw, rand paul though I think would probably still be objecting...rand paul's a bit diff. than most republicans.)

And btw, on the U.S. being owned by corporations... it goes back, way far past citizens united and all that recent shit... ever hear of the act of 1871? It's the act that officially made the United States a corporation owned by foreign bankers and interests... and it also gives D.C. no authority outside of D.C.

 

Paul is objecting because he is trying to take control of the GOP and is positioning himself for a run for POTUS in 2016. But if Romney were president, he wouldn't dare object because it would be cutting his political throat in the GOP and the Tea Party.

 

Ah wake up. Skip Romney is not president. barry obama is. Once again , in order to appease islamic nations , barry is wasting money and lives. Actually saving lives of sworn enemies of Christianity. Nice seeing where our taxes go. Sad seeing where American lives may go. What will hangover say when barry body bags come ashore? Can the DNC cheeer team come up with a little hope and change style mantra for that?

 

No, because the government itself has proven itself broken. Look at the NDAA- Totally Unconstitutional; But Obama was in the Judges pocket, and the mood changed instantly!

80% of Americans want Congressional approval before any action. There's also a lot of people (like me) who oppose military action, and Assad (70% approval rating from NATO) should be left the fuck alone!

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...ent-want-congressional-approval-on-syria?lite