How can anyone doubt the NWO is the end goal when..

Mercola is notorious for not citing references and manipulating and slanting the results of studies to promote his anti establishment and anti government stance. That's not to say that the concerns expressed by him aren't legitimate. The problem is his deliberate slanting of results of research papers and his intentionally vague arguments. His approach is similar to that of Kevin Trudeau.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...oseph_mercola_says_yes_on_the_huffington.html

"But Mercola’s piece is not about bone fractures—it’s about IQ, and research on the link between fluoride and IQ is muddy at best. Moreover, the study Mercola highlights certainly doesn’t suggest that America’s water is stunting anyone’s cognitive potential. The research is a systematic review and meta-analysis of 27 studies, and it found that kids exposed to high levels of fluoride are nearly twice as likely to have low IQ scores as are unexposed kids. But 25 of the studies were conducted in China (the other two in Iran), a highly pertinent fact considering that water is not fluoridated the same way there as it is here. Much of China’s water is heavily contaminated with fluoride (when this happens in the U.S., the chemical is reduced to a safe level); some children in the studies were consuming nearly three times the EPA’s limit. And in two of the studies, the kids weren’t getting fluoride from their water at all: They were inhaling it from coal burning, which could have much more acute health effects. So the “high fluoride exposure” causing IQ problems in these studies is vastly different from what U.S. children are exposed to—in fact, some Chinese children in the reference groups (i.e., those who were supposedly “unexposed”) were drinking water that was fluoridated at levels found in the United States."

 

If we are only discussing arsenic in water then yes that is not really a likely scenario. But there are many possibilities. That is what I was talking about. But fluoride is a legitimate concern in drinking water. The Nazis used it in their camps and the Illuminati uses it for the same reasons. It makes people stupid and docile.

1% is an expression, but even among that 1% there will be a 1% of that. I would prefer to call them the Illuminati. A 1% could be a successful lawyer or doctor, someone who while they are successful is not really one of the elite. Elite would be royal families, the major tycoons like Rockefeller etc. There is a reason they call themselves blue bloods. So there will not be millions of people, a few thousand at most. These bases are massive and a few thousand people is not that much.

Hiding from the rest of us is the problem like I mentioned. They might use this base if say a plague would be unleashed by them. Or maybe an asteroid hits if it is something they did not plan.

I would not put much faith in the military they are gullible that's why they do the job they do. They do not think for themselves and would not know how to do it. People in the current military are there because they believe they are fighting an enemy that does not exist. That enemy can be changed.

Patriotism will used as an excuse for the gullible. They will believe they are doing the right thing. If the commanding officer says kill a civilian because he is a "terrorist" they will do it it has already happened in Iraq. Who controls the military? The Illuminati. I am talking about the highest levels. The average general is like his soldiers, he believes he is doing the right thing.

So it is possible that small rebellions could break out, but overall I think most will follow orders. Plus there will always be men who will sell themselves the mercenary. Many might know who the real enemy is but choose to support them because at least then they are fed. They don't care about politics.

This is why many Americans are hesitant to give up their guns. But we do not have tanks or drones or missiles. And what good is a gun against a plague?

I realize you would probably call this whole thing ridiculous. But that is the whole point. Most people will remain ignorant and that is how it will happen. It's a difficult thing to accept.

But I do find it interesting you mention magic tricks because the Illuminati is highly involved in black magic. Although what has been called black magic is just an advanced knowledge. Writer you are studying to be a mental health professional right? Not to sound too cliche but because of that you are already in their box.

So I am getting into an area you would find illogical and perhaps suggest I take some meds but let me explain. They practice a "religion" known only to them that gives them a link to other dimensions and the beings that live there. This is an accepted principal of physics. There are multiple dimensions and many things not visible to the human eye but they do exist.

Part of this relationship is an advanced knowledge of how to control and manipulate others. All science is considered magic to the those who do not understand it. The human Illuminati here allow these beings to enter our world through their bodies. They are not able to interact with us unless given a psychical vesal. The humans are given power over us and knowledge in exchange. Like I said before there will always be those who will sell themselves at the cost of others.

Many also believe they will be given even more power upon death but these beings are not to be trusted. They view any human as the Illuminati views us. This gets into the idea of Satanism, although I am not Christian and they have the wrong idea about the whole thing.

These beings do not need food as we would. They feed off energy particularly negative. This is why there is constant conflict and fighting in the world. Trivial issues such as gay marriage are constantly discussed because they will evoke strong reactions. Think of all the people who would say they "hate fags". They are doing what the Illuminati wants them to.

Brittan is the financial center of the Illuminati, America is the military. Your queen and my president are allot closer then political allies.

Doctors are "in on it" but they are not aware of it. The pills they prescribe have all sorts of negative effects on the brain and body similar to fluoride. But like before they believe they are doing the right thing. The doctor is not personally doing the clinical trials. He reads a report and trusts it. Science is not the accepting field you think it is. A scientist is giving a grant and the people with the purse strings are expecting a certain answer. If the scientist does not give it he will not be funded again which is the end of his career.

Of course there are areas that are of no concern to the elite. Those scientists can study as they please but not one employed in the pharmaceutical industry.

Pharmaceutical companies cover up allot. How often does a drug come out and 6 months later you see an ambulance chase on TV encouraging you to sue over unmentioned side effects?

I am not sure how it is in the UK but in America they are constantly selling prescription medication. They want you to think you can't live without a prescription for something. On one level they are just a capitalist business so they want profit but it gets more sinister then that.

 

so your stand is that we know its poison and if it is reduced to a level that it does not kill you adding it to the water in the US is all well and good?

I did not see you post any invitro testing to contradict Mercola, or any slanting, if by slanting you mean false statements.

 

Do you have any idea how fucking hilarious that is?

I cant believe you posted it! But thanks for the laugh.

Here listen to george explain how that grand improvement took place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw"]The American Dream

 

It follows, that with advertising comes more consumers.
It is illegal to advertise prescription drugs on TV/Radio/non-medical magazines etc.
I guess it's choice -
Generally, here, you go see a GP/Doctor and they prescribe you a particular drug - and that's the end of it.
I guess the American health care system allows you more choice - because of consumer demand and the way it is set up.
So, who's fault is it, really?

The Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1932/contents/made

 

I found yours quite funny too.
Especially when I found it submitted by Tyler Durden


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-official-america-now-dumb-bag-hammers

I think your chart is based on those by predominantly white students at the beginning (early seventies) then the average score from a cross section of ethnicities more recently. With little acknowledgement of changing tests over the 30-40 years.
Unfortunately the scores seem to be dragged down by 'blacks' and 'hispanics', and that's probably not because they are necessarily dumb.

 

This idea that "the people is the government," is only partially true. People who make the real decisions in DC, are rich people. Don't believe me? Washington DC's county, is by far the most wealthy in the country. Therefore, they have different agendas than us regular people. War and government benefits is most of their business. This is no longer a conspiracy, but fact. Neither is the danger of American drinking water.

These things have unknown health risks, as well as mental health. Fluoride is known to make people apathetic and uncaring. Even though some of you say it's not the same in low doses, I would declare that no one really receives "low doses," considering that water is used to make nearly any beverage we drink, and even used to cook alot of our food. That brings me to my other point about GMO's and man-made pesticides like "Round-up." We know for a fact this cause other deceases, cause every study (not funded by Monsanto) says so. Of course, the CEO of Monsanto was head of the FDA just long enough to declare GMO's were "perfectly safe to eat." To answer your question though, I don't think they're putting the very wealthy in any risk, and that is what their family would be composed of. In other words, when you have money, you have more options, and can pay for a 1000$ weds lunch, with no GMOs etc. Therefore I refute your argument that the government "is the people;" There's a huge disconnect from Washington D.C to the rest of us. They're in their own world, and ultimately are working for the highest bidder. Israel, Mexican drug cartels, companies that dump/spill dangerous toxins in the world, etc. The government steps in to save face, as if, BP is all of a sudden ALL about safety, when it's all a big sham. Where is the EPA when people are harmed by Chemicals? Where is the FDA when synthetic chemicals are legal, whereas, there safe natural counterparts, are not.


http://o.canada.com/2013/07/31/detroit-petcoke-cloud-windsor/


Wake up! The government is a racket, a monopoly of crime. They do the dirty jobs of corporate scumbags. That's not to say all Lobbys/Lobbyist are bad, however, Lobbyist and the Government are NOT working toward the will of the people, and is not really the people, more like the "corporate people;" They just dish out enough cash to write the laws themselves, the Constitution be damned.


If you believe there's nothing going on, don't worry about it! Keep getting shots that paralyze and kill people, no skin off my nutts. But, multiple Dr's do feel this way, scientist have showed the damaging effects of GMO's.


It's funny to be though, how everyone arguing with me is the usual suspects. I said I'm not gonna convince you guys cause every discussion we have is you guys sympathizing for government force. But to me, this is beyond that. This is getting to the point of total government control. Liberals may like that now, but I'm sure you'll feel different in 2020 when there are 20,000 drones in the air, spying on our every move.

If I got on the topic of BIG government, it is because that is why has been disasterous for us.

Up until the 1960's- our nation had hardly any debt, or any government. The increase in government directly effects the increase in spending. But the spending as doubled every year since 2001.




I used to be a Liberal, but I woke up; Government is what's been causing our problems, more government is bound to hurt more than it helps. Leftist put too much faith in government, like somehow they'll fix themselves if we throw more money at them. Pssssshhh cause that really works. Maybe in Bidens fantasy world, but in the real world, your regular joe is already overtaxed. Let him keep his money, and the money would get around. Instead, government steals it from the person who EARNED IT, wastes it on bad programs, sends trillions overseas and bailout banks who stockpile cash.

I think when it comes down to it, NeoCons and Liberals think they're totally different, when you're both headed toward tyranny.

Sorry that I'm not interested in joining you

 

Aspirin is damaging in sufficient doses, as are many other beneficial substances when consumed in excessive amounts. It's legitimate to have a concern about doses of aspirin and other substances but not legitimate to say they should be banned or that one should fear consumption of reasonable amounts of them because excessive amounts of them can cause morbidity or mortality.

Earlier in his career Mercola's main activity was being a medical doctor. This was before he turned fully to propaganda and direct marketing for his own personal financial gain. Mercola has sufficient money from his $7 million yearly revenue to conduct objective research studies on issues such as fluoride in drinking water. He could also secure funds from private and public sources to conduct objective research.

Instead, he makes vague citations to other people's studies that he selectively picks. He then twists the results to try to make his personal opinion seem factual, to instill fear in the general public about a particular issue such as fluoridation, and to further boost the sales of his products for his own financial gain, such as his fluoride-free toothpaste. He has numerous customers with a cabinet full of his products that they purchased as a result of being swayed by his propaganda, such as his $22 per ounce anti-aging serum (the serum is needed after you buy his $4000 UV tanning bed and its associated aging effects on the skin). He's engaging in the same type of propaganda and personal gain that he accuses the pharmaceutical industry and government of doing.

 

None of that matters. I'm just saying, as a person, I should have the Right to clean drinking water. That means I have the Right to decide if I want to ingest a one-size-fits all government drug. You're talking about one guy, I can name corporations who get filthy rich off lying about GMO's etc.

PLus, I'm not advocating BANNING anything, Infact, I believe in total legalization of all Chemicals and substances. However, I want people to have Rights to know and decide for themselves. We don't know currently whose water has what,(or how much) unless you test it, we also have no idea if our food is Genetically Modified. It's no accident these issues are so "down low" you guys are treating them as conspiracies, when obviously there's problems. Stomach Ulsors, Cancer and other illnesses have been link time and time again to GMOs (in studies not funded by Monsanto.)

It's not wrong to ask questions. You people who are claiming we know enough about these chemicals to ingest it everyday of our lives; I honestly believe you trust the government too much. They've killed citizens before, planned terrorist attacks in the US, lied about incidents to get us into war and, have spied on 75%, yet the usual suspects here, always totally trust the government, with no questions asked.

There is a reason for concern, and a reason why even Japan labels GMO's. There's plenty of reason NOT to trust the current system of government, and that's it.

That's the bulk of everything- I don't trust the government to run the economy, t=you really expect everyone to trust them with their life, (Like you Liberals do)? That's not happening. Call it "conspiracy" all you want. But, thank to the internet, government is being exposed; When push comes to shove, you will see we are just pawns in the Governments Global Chess game. A Tool for money and power and that's all.
I think you guys are waaaayy too complacent.

 

Lowered IQ results in authority dependency.

How about US government in mk ultra, and LSD testing on unsuspecting people, including canadians for petes sake, and when they released biological agents into the subway. Long freakin list of government well "KNOWN" atrocities.

 

There is NWO. people hate conspiracy theorist because it make them face truths they don't wonna faces

 

I think the US government is either using the UN to further their agenda, or thinks that it is ultimately in control of the UN. The government disregards the UN when they want, and use the UN when they need a type of World Governance. However, There also seems to be lingering tensions among elitest. Look at the Russian-American relationship today. It is caused by America's arrogance and constant use of force; There is no way we are trusted in the world. Perhaps people have been grasping our ideas of Democracy, still, at the same time we're losing those very freedoms here at home.

I think the American Government has nothing left but brute force and imposing violence. We have no manufacturing, no jobs, and no way Government will create jobs (It's a bald-faced Lie when government says they'll "create jobs") Also, we're 18 trillion dollar in debt, Texas has reverted back to gravel roads, because they can't afford to pave them anymore. The Government has also lost any semblance of legitimacy among the people, since the up rise of the internet and alternative media.

Now, many things considered conspiracy, turned out being true. As is many cases in History. I think everyone should be armed, because as I said, Tyrannts will do anything to keep power. We need to be alert and awake NOW, and stop thinkin in terms of Conspiracies. We practically live in a pop-up version of George Orwells "1984." Why do you think each and every laptop today is comfortably fitted with cameras easily accessible online? The government also admitted to spying on 75% of us "accidentally." The Conspiracies were right, rich bankers DO control our money, through control of the FED. They also control government policies; the military-industrial complex and Israel are also huge lobbyists in DC. We need to lose faith in this legalized mafia..

 

The formation of the UN was the first step towards the NWO. In principal it is not bad. There is no reason why countries can not have a place where they discuss issues. But it is misused and I think most people will agree it accomplishes little to nothing.

 

^ I agree.

https://www.youtube.com/user/StormCloudsGathering?feature=watch

 

You're right and disarming the population is only to control the masses when shit will hit the fan! It is clearly stated to reduce world population to under 500 millions on the mysterious "Georgia stone" and that through viruses, war, malnutrition, etc as they see fit.Georges Bush the father on the news "....... and when we have a new world order and we will......" so it is clearly on the agenda and btw, he's on the upper echelon in the FREEMASON. "NOT TO BE TRUSTED". Corruption is not an illusion!

 

which is of course because super powers like the u.s. deliberatel keep its ability to do anything crippled, so the can continue to abuse international law to force little countries to pay protection while the ignore it whenever it suits their convenience to do so.

if there is a new world order in the sense the title of this thread, that abuses it, this is the mafia doctrine of the u.s. it is precisely because the super powers which cripple the u.n. are rogue to international law, that something needs to be trustworty, which they are not, and with the teeth to make even the bigginst nations and their international economic interests, behave themselves.

as for guns, people need to be armed with something far more powerful then guns: universal and unimpeded access to all knowledge.

 

If you think all it does is discuss issues - then you are right...

 

Something you do not agree with is not disinformation. You don't seem to believe in conspiracy theories, you just like to argue and point out all what is in your opinion the flaws in our logic. So why post here? Is it for just that reason, you enjoy screwing with us crazy people?

A disinformation agent would be doing that. Constantly picking at a story and introducing new or false information. Doing everything in their power to chip away at our belief and confuse the real story and fiction. There are even agents who will support a conspiracy theory just the wrong one.

These sort of people are usually employed by powerful forces. I would think Hip forums is not that popular to deserve that kind of attention. But the internet allows these sort of ideas to be shared much easier then they were in the past. You could easily visit many sites and do the same thing.

That is true in a way. What is the alternative to discussion? You could be like my country and be the world's police with military force. But then no one likes you because they think your a bully.

I am not sure what you mean by this statement. Are you saying the UN is useless but legitimate group that should do more?

 

What false information have I 'introduced'?

I'm talking about helping to provide education, vaccinations and clean water...for e.g.