"you can't be catholic and pro-choice"

not sure why its necessary to yell, or repeat pop-culture, media-driven talking points on Catholic teachings and then proceed to lump all Catholics into one box.

Maybe take some time to look at some actual works

https://lcwr.org/social-justice/resolutions-to-action

and RIF here's one for you.
https://lcwr.org/publications/us-muslims-and-interfaith-dialogue-july-2011-vol-20-no-2

it's pretty easy to find actual statements and positions taken by U.S. Catholic women.

 

The catholics burned people at the stake because they "BELIEVED" the world was flat, and "BELIEVED" that anyone that "BELIEVED" differently were heretics, and deserved to die. Kinda the way Muslims "BELIEVE" that anyone that isn't Muslim is an infidel, and should be killed. The point I'm making is, what you "believe" can be way different than reality. And judgement should be left to the ultimate authority, whatever that is.

Making a woman have a child that she can't afford to raise, only puts her and the child through hell. Making a woman have a child that is mentally or physically deformed, puts them through hell for life. Everyone makes mistakes, like getting pregnant, or committing sin. But there is no love in a god that condemns, instead of forgives. And that's the same for humans that are like that, "in my opinion". In my opinion, God forgives, Satan condemns. But then I'm an agnostic.

It's called church doctrine. You're either Catholic or you're not. That's why I'm an agnostic. I don't buy into any religious doctrine, because they were all made by fallible men that don't have any more of a clue than I do. When I take my last breath, maybe I'll learn the truth, maybe not. The truth is what I "believe" in, but it's beyond me, because I'm fallible too.

 

Comparing people and making judgments of fellow often strangers in congregations is common Catholic practice. We are on the other hand taught not to choose while at secret personal meditation. So I'd say that Catholicism is not pro-choice unless you are willing to judge people prejudicially while in a gathering. Thus the choosing for a Catholic is selfishly judgmental after the correctively applied "Conscience".:sunny:

 

1) Every culture, every relgion, every shaman, etc all say the same thing. And that is that whatever this world (reality) is... It's at best an illusion and it's obviously only temporary. There's something else that awaits us after death.

2) Having a child is not a condemnation from Allah(swt) / God. It's a blessing

3) Life like death is fair in its unfairness. And better that way than a world which is 100% fair. Because in such a world the bad things that happen are because we've deserved them. As such it would be a world without passion and without compassion.

Now as for all the burning and killing.
The Roman's killed similarly...
The Greeks killed similarly...
The Egyptians killed similarly...
The Germans killed similarly...
The British killed similarly...
Probably the only people that haven't done this sort of things are the Inuit.

The culprit isn't any relgion but politics that instrumentalizes both religion and race in order to wage wars to protect the interest and profits of the market place

 

Christian and any choice - out!

Though you can parrot the Bible and be pro-war.

 

Please explain the millions killed by atheists stalin and mao

 

A better couple of questions:
Please explain when 1 million people were burned at the stake...
When did the Catholic Church believe the earth was flat...?

From what I can gather, both are myths...

 

Well it is the gene that wants to procreate regardless an individuals desires so sexual orientation needn't be a factor. It is not my claim that sex is deciphered and I think it is meant to be a colorful figure of speech.

It could be said and I am saying it.

 

there are no religions
there are only people

 

TBH I've never understood the metaphysical rationale for Christians' anti-abortion stance. I'm no expert in Scripture, but I've always taken the Judeo-Christian worldview to be paradigmatically idealist, with special emphasis on the symbolic, as opposed to the strict factuality of materialism. Hence the, from a biological/materialist perspective, rather silly story of the 'immaculate' conception of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Okay, He's a bit of an exception, but Christianity is at any rate very birth-oriented, something particularly evident in its Evangelist 'born again' varieties. The idea being that birth isn't some muddled continuum of being, but a deciding moment wherein a person comes INTO being. For Christian Scripture, you don't exist until you're born - it's all about the moment of birth. So what gives? Can something that 'is' not (yet) nevertheless be said to 'live'?. Of course what are erroneously called 'fundamentalists' rarely adhere to Scripture at all, much less in its entirety, but why, when it comes to abortion, do they all of the sudden go biological materialist by proclaiming the unborn fetus to be a living organism in its own right, thereby making termination of pregnancy a form of murder? Are there any Christians here who might explain this to me, because the unbending 'pro-life' stance, like so many of the key issues of the religious right, seems to me to have little basis in Scripture, nay, might even be at odds with some its key tenets. Kind of like how the Jesus in the Gospels isn't of the 'family values' persuasion at all (all that business of Bringing the Sword, and 'If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple' - Luke 14:26) nor all that enthusiastic about private property. Though 'family values' and the Gospel of wealth and property make up the message the religious right habitually pushes as 'Christian'.

 

You are beginning to look like a three-year-old that continually asks why. All you have to do is google it. If you don't know how, ask your mommy.

What is with a god that puts ten thousand nerve endings in genitals, and then says it's a sin to satisfy the urge? I'll tell you. It's not a god, but a bunch of narcissistic holier than thou's that love to make you ashamed and feel guilty. Another fallacy of church doctrine.

This is a perfect example of the evil perpetrated on the flock(sheep) by the "sons of vipers"(preachers). Jesus called them "sons of vipers" because, not only to they not enter heaven, they keep others from entering also. You have been bull shited into believing that you deserve bad things to happen to you and others. Like the twelve that were mudered by the Navy yard shooter. Really? What was it that they deserved that fate?

 

You can be catholic and be pro choice.

This thread is intended to put a very large group of people into one big pile, but the world isn black and white. There are plenty of colorful people and yes, some of them are catholic.

Saying that you can't be (______) and be (_____) is rather juvenile. You can be whatever you want to be.

You could be a Muslim cross dressing deadhead if you want to be.

Why everyone is always so worried about what other people are and aren't, has always confused me. Worry bout your damn self and go on about yo business

 

Put the quote back into context and either learn to read or wait for someone to create an app to read for you.

 

It isn't Catholic to be good willed with sinners. Daaa...ah, next point is that it isn't good willed to talk tuff and angry at Iran. But is it Catholic or good willed,... to be at sinning with the opinion about abortion being fair or not,... when it comes to respecting Iran's intentions about freedom and justice?

Whatever, I call that pro-life. I chose to put it down in words, didn't I?

 

surely you realize that isn't true.

 

I'm not asking 'why' I'm asking 'when'...

While millions of people might have been affected, the best estimates of recent historians range from 50,000 to 200,000 dead.

Brian A. Pavlac,
Ph.D., Professor of History


Isaiah 40:22
He who sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, the inhabitants of which are like grasshoppers, stretches out the heavens like a cloth, spreads them out like a tent to live in

The idea that Christians once commonly believed in a flat earth for theological reasons is a myth. The story was invented to promote the claim that Christians have widely resisted scientific advancement due to doctrinal constraints. A major motivating factor behind propagating this myth has been to bolster the Darwinian worldview and to further the goal of displacing the biblical worldview. No evidence exists to support the common claim that scientists were once persecuted for opposing the flat-earth belief or advocating the spherical earth view, which has been commonly accepted for millennia.

http://creation.com/the-flat-earth-myth-and-creationism

 

Unlike Abraham, the prophet Isaah was the peace prophet,

 

And?

 

What I wrote WAS in the context of the quote. Your refusal to answer the question only confirms your determination to live in denial, and guilt. That's YOUR problem.

 

Sorry, I meant to put a period at the end of the sentence.