False Christians?

The bible may well predict this day and age accurately, if so, it is not at all alone. Many clear descriptions of this era are written down in other prophecies by other cultures.
Native American, Hindu, Astrological, and Mayan prophecies are just a few that I have read that are also accurate.

None appear to have the monopoly on it.

 

Lets here them. And can you be detailed about it giving where they are found and what they say.

 

The prophecies you are talking about have no details, and as always you make these broad statements without any evidence to back up your claims. I can assure you there are no prophecies that even come close to bible prophecy. The bible has a monopoly on prophecies of truth and has a story line that can be followed. The ball is back in your court, prove me wrong. Please show me chapter and verse, I'm waiting.

 

That is a tall order.....as you must know.
In macro astrology, this present age is thought by many to be the shift out of age of Pisces and into Aquarius. The Piscean symbol, 'the fishes', was an apt one for these past 2 millenia, to me. When I think of the internet, the symbol of Aquarius is apropos for this new era.
Not all astrologists agree on the timing, but the year 2010 is commonly referred to as the point that we will begin to spend more of the year in Aquarius and less in Pisces.
The details of the meanings of this shift of ages are readily available on any zodiac related site.


The specific locations to find the Hindu prophecies that refer to today are not known by me, and it would take a long time to find them. The Vedas are many times longer than the Bible, and I don't know where to look. Sorry.
They Mayan date of Dec. 21st, 2012 as the end date of their calendar is also easily found online. In their system it is day 13.0.0.0.0.
What this will mean is a point of debate, and the different opinions are also easy to find online.

Here are some Native ones,

The elders on the west coast prophesied that they would then begin to build a black ribbon. And on this black ribbon there would move a bug. And when you begin to see this bug moving on the land, that was the sign for the First Shaking of the Earth. The First Shaking of the Earth would be so violent that this bug would be shaken off the earth into the air and it would begin to move and fly in the air. And by the end of this shaking this bug will be in the air around the world. Behind it would be a trail of dirt and eventually the whole sky of the entire earth would become dirty from these trails of dirt, and this would cause many diseases that would get more and more complicated. So the bug moving on the land, of course it's easy to see now. In 1908 the Model-T Ford was mass produced for the first time. So the elders knew the First Shaking of the Earth was about to come about -- that was the First World War.
In the First World War the airplane came into wide usage for the first time. That was that bug moving into the sky. And so they knew something very important would happen. There would be an attempt to make peace on earth on the west coast of this land, and so the elders began to watch for this. They began to hear that there was going to be a League of Nations in San Francisco, so the elders gathered in Arizona around 1920 or so, and they wrote a letter to Woodrow Wilson. They asked if the Indian people could be included in the League of Nations.
The United States Supreme Court had held that a reservation is a separate and semi-sovereign nation, not a part of the United States but protected by it. This became a concern because people didn't want the reservations to become more and more separate. They didn't want them to be considered nations. So they did not write back, and the Native people were left out of the League of Nations so that circle was incomplete. In the League of Nations circle there was a southern door, the yellow people; there was a western door, the black people; there was a northern door, the white people; but the eastern door was not attended. The elders knew that peace would not come on the earth until the circle of humanity is complete, until all the four colors sat in the circle and shared their teachings, then peace would come on earth.
So they knew things would happen. Things would speed up a little it. There would be a cobweb built around the earth, and people would talk across this cobweb. When this talking cobweb, the telephone, was built around the earth, a sign of life would appear in the east, but it would tilt and bring death (the swastika of the Nazis). It would come with the sun. But the sun itself would rise one day, not in the east but in the west (the rising sun of the Japanese Empire). So the elders said when you see the sun rising in the east, and you see the sign of life reversed and tilted in the east, you know that the Great Death is to come upon the earth, and now the Great Spirit will grab the earth again in His hand and shake it, and this shaking will be worse than the first. So the sign of life reversed and tilted, we call that the Swastika, and the rising sun in the east was the Rising Sun of Japan. These two symbols are carved in stone in Arizona. When the elders saw these two flags, they knew that these were the signs that the earth was to be shaken again.
The worse misuse of the Guardianship of the fire is called the gourd of ashes. They said the gourd of ashes will fall from the air. It will make the people like blades of grass in the prairie fire, and things will not grow for many seasons. The atomic bomb, the gourd of ashes, it was the best-kept secret in the history of the US. The elders wanted to speak about it in 1920.
They would have spoken of it and foretold its coming if they could have entered into the League of Nations. The elders tried to contact President Roosevelt to ask him not to use the gourd of ashes because it would have a great effect on the earth and eventually cause even greater destruction and a the Third Shaking of the Earth, the Third World War.
So they knew after the Second Shaking of the Earth when they saw the gourd of ashes fall from the sky, there would be an attempt to make peace on the other side of this land. And because the peace attempt on the west coast had failed, they would build a special house on the east coast of this Turtle Island, and all the nations and peoples of the earth would come to this house, and it would be called the House of Mica, and it would shine like the mica on the desert shines. So the elders began to see they were building the United Nations made out of glass that reflects like the mica on the desert so they knew this was the House of Mica, and all the peoples of the earth should go to it. So they met and talked about this. They said that in the 1920's they had written and they had not been responded to, so they said this time we'd better go to the front door of the House of Mica because things might get a lot worse.
So elders representing a number of tribes drove to New York City. When the United Nations opened, they went to the front door of the house of Mica and they said these words, 'We represent the indigenous people of North America, and we wish to address the nations of the Earth. We're going to give you four days to consider whether or not we will be allowed to speak.'
They retreated to one of the Six Nations Reserves in New York State. Four days later they came back, and I believe the nations of the earth heard that the Indians had come to the door. And they voted to let the Indians in. They wanted to hear what they had to say. But the United States is one of five nations of the United Nations with a veto power, and still they were concerned because this time the Native sovereignty was even stronger. And I believe they vetoed the entrance of the Native people.
So then they knew other things would happen on the Earth. So they retreated to the Six Nations Reserve, and they talked about this, and they said the time is really getting close now -- 1949. They said, "We're going to divide the United States into four sections, and each year we're going to have a gathering. We're going to call these the White Roots of Peace Gatherings." They began to have these around 1950. And they authorized certain people to speak in English for the first time about these prophecies.
One that I used to listen to many times, over and over, was Thomas Banyaca. He was authorized to speak in English about what was on the stone tablets, and he has dedicated his life to doing this. And they began to tell us at these gatherings, "You're going to see a time in your lifetime when the human beings are going to find the blueprint that makes us." They call that now DNA, deoxyribonucleic acid. They said, "They're going to cut this blueprint." They call that now genetic splicing. And they said, "They're going to make new animals upon the earth, and they're going to think these are going to help us. And it's going to seem like they do help us. But maybe the grandchildren and great-grandchildren are going to suffer." The elders said long ago, "They will release these things, and they will use them." This is going to be released not too long from now. They are making new animals. The elders talked about this. They said, "You will see new animals, and even the old animals will come back, animals that people thought had disappeared. They will find them here and there. They'll begin to reappear."
They said, "You're going to see a time when the eagle will fly its highest in the night, and it will land upon the moon. And at that time, many of the Native people will be sleeping," which symbolically means they have lost their teachings. We're at that time now. The Eagle has landed on the moon, 1969. When that spaceship landed, they sent back the message, "The Eagle has landed." Traditionally, Native people from clear up in the Inuit region have shared with us this prophecy, clear down to the Quechuas in South America.
At this time you're going to see that things will speed up, that people on the earth will move faster and faster. Grandchildren will not have time for grandparents. Parents will not have time for children. It will seem like time is going faster and faster. The elders advised us that, as things speed up, you yourself should slow down. The faster things go, the slower you go. Because there's going to come a time when the earth is going to be shaken a third time. The Great Spirit has shaken the earth two times: the First and Second World Wars to remind us that we are a human family, to remind us that we should have greeted each other as brothers and sisters. We had a chance after each shaking to come together in a circle that would have brought peace on earth, but we missed that.
Tonight they were talking on the news about the sign for the Third Shaking of the Earth. They said they're going to build what the elders called the house in the sky. In the 1950's they talked about this: they will build a house and throw it in the sky. When you see people living in the sky on a permanent basis, you will know the Great Spirit is about to grab the earth, this time not with one hand, but with both hands. When this house is in the sky, the Great Spirit is going to shake the Earth a third time, and whoever dropped that gourd of ashes, upon them it is going to drop. They say at that time there will be villages in this land so great that when you stand in the villages you will not be able to see out, and in the prophecies these are called villages of stone, or prairies of stone. And they said the stone will grow up from the ground, and you will not be able to see beyond the village.
At the center of each and every one of these villages will be Native people, and they will walk as hollow shells upon a prairie of stone. They said hollow shells, which means they will have lost any of their traditional understandings; they will be empty within. They said that, after the Eagle lands on the moon, some of these people will begin to leave these prairies of stone and come home and take up some of the old ways and begin to make themselves reborn, because it's a new day. But many will not. And they said there's going to come a time when in the morning the sun is going to rise, and this village of stone will be there, and in the evening there would just be steam coming from the ground. They will be as steam. And in the center of many of those villages of stone, when they turn to steam, the Native people will turn to steam also because they never woke up and left the village.
They say there's going to be the Third Shaking of the Earth. It's not going to be a good thing to see, but we will survive it. We will survive it. And when we survive it, there's going to be another attempt to make a circle of the human beings on the earth. And this time the Native people will not have to petition to join but will be invited to enter the circle because they say the attitude toward us will have changed by then, and people will let us into the circle, and all the four colors of the four directions will share their wisdom, and there will be a peace on earth. This is coming close.

 

Well like I said these prophecies are impossible to follow. They are not detailed and can be taken many different was. Also there appears to be no end game. We will all get along went the native people are invited to enter the circle, thats it. The bible gives great details that are not hidden in obscure terms, but can be plainly understood. And the God of the bible made sure all the world can get their hands on His book. His truth, is not hard to find. It would only make sense that if the God of the bible is the real God, His truth would not be hidden away. And His truth has a story line that covers centuries that can be followed. And has a clear conclusion.

 

The prophecies about the coming of the train, electrical grids, moon landing, and atom bomb, etc. were very clear to me.

Revelations..............now that is hard to decipher.

 

Well in the bible it clealy teaches that the Jewish people will return to the land of Israel and retake Jerusalem in the time of the end. Jerusalems east gate will remained sealed until Christ returns. All of the prophecies are leading up to the point where God finally returns to the world to put an end to evil and receive those who love Him as His own. What are your prophecies end game, after the tribe is accepted into the circle what then. Another words what is the point of the prophecies.

 

Same goal, world peace.
In other words, the resolution of our divisive attitudes.

 

Just thought I would point out that if it were not for Jesus fulfilling the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament concerning Him, we would not have a Christian faith today. It is because of the Old Testament that we have a Jesus Christ today. Jesus said that no man comes to the Father but through Him. If that statement is not true Jesus is a liar. If it is true then all other religions are false. The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was for the sins of the world. Those who accept Christ sacrifice have eternal life those who reject Christ have no life. Christ death on the cross was spoken of in the Old Testament, and it stated His death would be for the sins of the world. These passages were written hundredes of years before Jesus was born.

 

Well the end game of the bible is Christ returns for His own and those people live forever. The prophecies you have shared say nothing about eternal life or God or what will be a million years from now. So these prophecies really give no answers of hope or future understanding. Outside of a time of peace what will be the future of earth, and what about our future? What happens to us and our children?

 

I am with blackbillblake, I do not believe that Jesus died for my sins. The idea that I would relinquish the payment for them to anyone else is abhorrent to me. No one should pay the price, in my place, for my wrongs. I do not reject Christ, and I see a third option to the liar/Christian choice, which is that the texts were doctored. I do not have to be calling him a liar if I disagree with you, c34.
It is my belief that He did exist, and I feel he most likely survived the crucifixion, and was still alive when taken down. This is not at all impossible when you study the time he spent on the cross, the sop, the empty tomb, and the appearances he made afterwards.

 

I only wish you people would read your bibles and had a clue as to what you were talking about. Many of the statements like this were made by Jesus during His sermon on the mount. The sermon was telling the people what they would have to do to enter heaven, if they tried to live a perfect life. The standard was so high everyone knew that no one could be that good. Jesus was telling the people that no one could get to heaven by doing good works. That is why he made those statements. Now you people come a long and try and make a doctrine out of them which was never what Christ intended.

 

Sounds like you are saying He didnt mean what He said....that His words are not to be taken literally, cuz you know He intended something else. That is much like calling someone a liar.

 

Alright, I've been lurking through this threads progress, as it's overall concept is one I think is especially important. Simply put, a false christian, from the way I understand it and believe, is one who may have accepted Jesus as Savior, but never knew Him to begin with, or lost touch with His message.

A christian should be easily recognizable because through virtue of their salvation, they know God and He lives in them, and works through them. Why this should happen is where most, imo, get lost. If you're truly saved, you should want to know what God wants you to do. You should study Christ's teachings, and live as He says. To do less than that is to turn your back on God, and reject your salvation.

I've only met a very few people that I would call a true christian. I could count the number on one hand, probably. One thing that defines them, and is immediately apparent to everyone who's met them, is that they radiate love. Other friends of mine who've met these people ask, how can anyone be that nice?

I'm not a christian, but it's those people that give me doubt, that make me look into the subject more, that make me question my beliefs. They truly are shining examples.

 

The whole purpose of the sermon on the mount was to show the people that working your way to heven was impossible. In Matthew 5:29 Jesus told the people that if your eye offend thee pluck it out, and in verse 30 jesus told the people if your right hand offends thee cut it off. Jesus was not encourageing people to start removeing body parts. He was giving examples to the people that following the law was not sufficient for salvation. And the kind of righteousness necessary for salvation could not possibly be obtained by the works of the law. Jesus was making a point to everyone that no man would be justified by the works of the law. Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. The Jews felt that just being good people was enought for entrance into heaven. Christ told them if you want to enter heaven this is how good you must be. The Jews stated who could be that good, and that was the point that Jesus was trying to make. Nobody could be that good, so there would have to be another way.

 

Well since they found the dead seas scrolls back in 1947 they have discovered that the bible we have to day is the same bible that is reflected in these scrolls. The scrolls have not been touched in the last 2000 years. Also the old testament prophecies read the same as well. The scrolls are older than the Christian Church and many were written before the birth of Christ. So you can't honestly make the claim that the texts were doctored. If the Jews and Romans wanted Christ dead, there is no way He was coming down from that cross alive. Jesus Christ is alive today. And I can tell you, that our generation will see His return.

 

Well, if the scrolls are as supportive of the present text as you claim, why were there contents so stubbornly kept secret for 50 years?

In fact they still would be if the "Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith" had been at all able to continue to do so.

 

i don't think being christian means to be anti-progress.



what's meant by the creationist front by the way? sorry but i've never been aware of the churchs, or anyones opposition to it.

is it merely the contrasting approach to how the earth was formed or how we came from apes or something to that affect?

 

There are also false christians who are born and raised as christians and don't believe in it, yet society demands that they appear to follow it, however barely...

 

i wrote a nice long post trying to explain it, but the devil wouldnt let me post it, first he said i wasnt logged in, then he said it was an invalid thread, then he erased it. ah well, by now gods message has already reached everyone, he dont need me repeatin it