United States Federal Government Shut-Down

When you ignore someone, you're not trying to converse. You're automatically writing them off, without listening to what they're saying. All you did was pick out 1 line you thought was talking about Liberals (really talking about Obama supporters) and start shit for no reason!

I wasn't talking to you, so there's no point of you responding...

At least I try to converse, but some ignorant people here, just show your ass by acting like immature little babies- That's fine though, you guys can ignore the truth.

But I'm gonna call you out on it, and, maybe dislike a post or two. The real reason people get offended and start acting like children, is because I'm telling the truth- and the truth, hurts!

 

StpLSD25

Perhaps listening/reading for an extended period of time, and responding over an extended period of time (conversing) leads some people back to the beginning (full circle) (or they have seen this) - so they don't feel like starting the same journey all over again. This is also true (we all do it from time to time, even you): 'I"m not required to respond to anybody's posts.'

I know who you were referring to, that wasn't really the point.

Karen J: 'You (meaning you) were answering a question (post) I had asked someone else.' *cough*

I do.
I was just yanking your chain a little bit.
Much like it seemed like you were trying to do to Karen J.
I wasn't being that serious.

When you start talking about something 'new' I will converse with you, if that's ok.

'you support 20,000 Drones being used to perpetually spy on us'

So, at this moment in time, there are 20,000 Drones flying around the U.S spying on people?
Is this true or false? Perhaps, a: 'not right, but'.

 

Pardon me. The point I'm trying to make is that their objective is to make this shut down an ordeal for voting public. Nothing more.

 

Okay.

 

Everyone of us have walls of bias, I do too. If we never cross the walls, to our mutual agreements, we wont be able to progress politically.

And she has no obligation to respond to my posts. But I have the freedom to dislike her posts, and call her out on the fact, that she purposely ignored me.

That's what she assumed I was talking to her about. I was actually talking about her

The GOP may be trying to do this for publicity (or Obama may be; ) But other than the fact that they're not paying people their owed money, we should shut down the government. We should shut it down further, since military makes up half of our spending- and that's the only thing they didn't cut.

To me, this whole thing proves why we need smaller government, but we have materialistic Americans, who can only think about "Free" healthcare, and, more spending.

Yeah! you're right, I wasn't being too serious about it, just interested in a response. You know I think you're a cool guy, and we do converse, a lot actually.

Well there's not been any new news. Are you saying when I change my views? I have other thoughts and hobbies, but we're in the politics forum.

Well, you're skewing my words to insane proportions. I never said they are in the air now, but there will be more and more, until the year 2020, when there are the final 20,000. Plus, you're basically telling people to be apathetic because it's not happening now. The FBI admitted Drones are already in use in the homeland.


You want something new, but on this forum we have some democrats and Liberals who are still mad at Bush and Republicans for the war and the patriot act. I think they need something new.

Yet still, they support Obama on Libya and his Constitution violations and robbery. I mean, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

:sifone: I'm LMFAO at the dislikes. It's cracking me up; I'm only telling the truth, and actually being a lot more polite than usual.

It's like SunFighter said... "Anyone who gives a thumbs-down to a fact is crazy."

 

StpLSD25

So, you feel she was ignoring you but you were not talking to her but about her? Mmmm...

So why did you thumb her post down?

India cyclone leaves chaos in wake
Key Syria bloc rejects peace talks
Gaza 'terror tunnel' found in Israel
China to invest in British airport
Thirteen people hurt in coach crash
Two charged with teen's gun murder

Yeah, no new news...

No.

Obama won't be in office in 2020, will he?
Obama didn't sign anything stating that he authorises 20,000 drones to spy on everybody (you would need a damn site more than 20,000).
You are basically repeating an FAA estimation, and they were not referring to 'spy drones'.
And you think I'm skewing words?

I'll see you in the year 2020 and if there are 20,000 SPY drones flying around the U.S - you can say: 'See, I told you so.'

Until then it's a little unfair to say that anybody is supporting anything like that, isn't it?

You were being economical with the truth.

 

What are you talking about? I'm not a psychic. I didn't "feel" she was going to ignore me, and that's a petty argument point.

I already clearly and legibly stated that, you may have to go back a page. I'm not gonna talk in circles either.

The only thing I would quote on is the "terror tunnel"- I don't trust Israel, and this story sounds like propaganda to scare their people.
For those of you who don't know, the FAA is the "Federal Aviation Administration," it is a government organization; I'm sure they'll buy 20,000 of them in no time.

Obama being in office or not has nothing to do with it; If the next guy decided to use these powers to declare total martial law, the people would be screwed royally. Plus, Drones are quiet, they're small and, they can see in heat vision. Thusly, allowing any pilot to essentially see what we're doing in our own home. You're type of thinking always leads to tyranny because there HAS to be, somethings the government cannot do, and only so much they are allowed in our personal lives.

The government used the NSA to spy on 75% of Americans; Where do you come off thinking this will be any different?

Absolutely not. If you support someone who is destroying the country, outspending and, violating our founding principles. You deserve a little tough love, because you're stuck on his campaign rhetoric, and you can't actually acknowledge, that with the bills he's passing, the next president is practically a dictator. There IS something wrong when the government can kill you, watch you in your homes and, monitor your personal behavior.

The government has ran out of money- and yet, everyone thinks we can keep right on goin'!

Imo the government has been on this power grab, because they do have ill-intentions for us. There's no other reason why they should have the power they do.

It's important to be, because America is going the same route of Romes collapse: Devaluing their currency, spending too much, and, spreading themselves too thin. Economists believe we are close to the collapse of the dollar- which, would cause utter chaos. The problem I have with government supporters, is that they fail to see the vast damage caused by government, and, they think government is the solution to everything.

I think we need to put more emphasis on community and, less on government. They take so much of our money, and accomplish very little nationally.

 

I think (when you said: 'That's what she assumed I was talking to her about. I was actually talking about her') you were referring to a post where you may not have been directly talking to her, but chose to ignore the fact that in another post you were talking directly to her (because you said she ignored you.)
And you were a little miffed she didn't respond to your post.
Are you saying in the post before you said: 'Ignorance is bliss." isn't it? That was the Motto of "Big Brother'" from the book "1984" too.' you were not talking directly to her but about her?
It's a little complicated when you are trying to wriggle yourself out of something, isn't it?

It's just an e.g. (there is news, you just are not talking about it or starting threads about it - clearly too happy to talk about people/liberals etc) - and why don't you first go find the story, read it in full (from many sources, if you wish) THEN comment on it?

'I'm not a psychic.' - well, clearly you are.

We are talking about what OBAMA is doing, not what MIGHT happen in 7 years time.
The FAA ok'ing drones that can fly above a certain height, to me, isn't one more step to tyranny.
You were clearly suggesting OBAMA had ok'd 20,000 drones to spy on people.
To say otherwise is being disingenuous.
What 'powers' (relating to drones) are you talking about?
You clearly associated OBAMA, 20,000 DRONES and SPYING - so please do not try and wriggle yourself out of this one, please.

So the FAA are going to buy 20,000 heat vision drones and will spy on every U.S citizen?
Is 'spying' in their remit?
Don't heat vision drones have to be under a certain height - that they could already be - for them to be in anyway useful?
Why are there not 20,000 heat vision drones already flying around?

Erm, well, I don't try and be physic.

It's important to be 'economical with the truth'?
You do know what it means, don't you?

 

There needs to be a deadline on congress and senate that if within 10 days of the "shut down" a solution can't be reached then the issue goes with in 5 day to popular vote. House then forfeits pay and benefits until tax payers are refunded for the poll costs.

Also, we need to eliminate the electoral vote on presidential elections. Popular should be the only vote that counts.

 

Are you trying to say wiggle? I'm not trying to 'wiggle' out of anything. That post is a totally different post, and I was responding to her (obviously.)

You're just trying to argue about this petty stuff, because you can't argue with my political views.

When something is important to me, I do just that. None of the petty stuff you named is worth my time. I admitted I'm bias; All I really care about is Civil Liberties/Constitutional violations. I do write about
'new' stuff, but regardless, the laws and everything I do mention, are not obsolete cause they happened a year ago! These Laws are also enough to ridicule Obama, as I do. People just want me to talk about other stuff, because they trust the government with absolute power; When the next guy may decide to use all these laws, therefore essentially declaring martial law nationwide.

(I say "the next guy," because I know Obama supporters don't think HE'D ever declare martial law.)

The government supports certain businesses, even if it's bad for the people. I posted a topic awhile ago. I was talking about how the new "metal detectors," in the airports don't even work. Someone can sneak a metal object in, if it's strapped to their side. The government probably knew this, they definitely know now (it's all over youtube,) but they bought/buy them anyway, because it's probably their buddies business. Moreover, Military is over 1/2 of our spending. I'm not "a psychic," I just look at the Federal Governments pattern.

First of all, OBAMA signed the damn law, to cause it to happen in the first place!

Secondly, it's not happening in 2020, it's building up to that number on that year. They may have 10,000 by the year 2016 for all we know.

The FAA was forced to "regulate" themselves; To me that is tyranny. The government does not have unfettered access into our personal lives. This is not England. If anything the government regulating itself, is just as bad as no regulations. No ones watching THEM, or holding their feet to the fire on this issue. But, Obama caused it, by signing the law.

I hate when Obama supporters try to avert his blame, by placing it on others (like Republicans,) or saying "that's in 7 years," is not a valid point.

I'm not. Obama signed the law- he is responsible. As I stated, Democrats still blame Bush for the patriot act; Obama has done SO much worse.

Of course they'll have heat vision. How else would they catch "Criminals?"
What height are we talking? Again, I don't trust the FAA to Regulate itself, or, follow their regulations. The Federal Government has a history of abusing their power. It's like I asked before; If the government used NSA to "accidentally" spy on 75% of us, why do you think this is any different?

It has nothing to do with being psychic. Anyone with half a brain can see the governments track record (as a whole,) and realize they consistently violation our Constitution and Human Rights. It seems to me, that you have unconditional trust for government. Whereas, I believe your type of thinking leads to tyranny. You're allowing government to have all this power, and defending them, or, ignoring them, when they abuse it.

You have nothing to say about the NSA scandal?
I feel like if we find out they're using drones to spy on us, you would either
have nothing to say, or defend them for doing it. I think you and whoever liked your post, need to actually read up on the ALL the bad things government does constantly. Everything from the EPA to the CIA are totally corrupt. Obama is just a pawn for the bankers, but he still holds fault for not informing the people, and playing along with elitists.

Yes. It pertains to money. It's important because the economy is in ruins due to overspending, over taxing and, over printing. A free market economy is much better than the crony capitalism we have today. A very few number of elite banks, oil companies, Arms dealers and, more, who control our country and our economy.

You ignore all the bad the government does, and argue about silly things.
I think you're either very uninformed about the American Government, or just lie to yourself, because it's easier than accepting the fact, that governments throughout history have killed their own people, and, broke their own laws. When people remain quiet and complacent like you, they get their Human Rights stripped away, and put in camps or killed.

“Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.”~Dr. Ron Paul~

 

No.

wrig·gle
v. wrig·gled, wrig·gling, wrig·gles
1. To turn or twist the body with sinuous writhing motions; squirm.
2. To proceed with writhing motions.
3. To worm one's way into or out of a situation; insinuate or extricate oneself by sly or subtle means.

See, this is why people might find it a little tedious.
Even on the only issues you talk about this is not 'new' it is atleast a year old.
If you really don't care about anything else, and everything else is 'petty' - then that can also become a little tiresome.
You are basically going around a maze that has no exit.

You said:
'You support 20,000 Drones being used to perpetually spy on us.'
'There will be more and more, until the year 2020, when there are the final 20,000. '
FAA: 'I'm sure they'll buy 20,000 of them in no time.'
'It's not happening in 2020, it's building up to that number on that year. They may have 10,000 by the year 2016 for all we know.'


You might not be psychic but you are being extremely specific.

Is this not true?: You are saying Obama signed an act that is going to allow the FAA (or 'them') to buy up to or over 20,000 drones over the next few years (possibly up to 2020), and that the total purpose of all of these drones is for the use of spying on U.S citizens?

That does seem like you are looking into the future. Almost Psychic.

If you added the caveat: This MIGHT happen, or has the POTENTIAL to happen
...and not site SPECIFIC No.s (not plucked from the air)...
...then I would not say that you are psychic.
I would say that you were concerned about the implications of the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, and the POTENTIAL use and misuse.
But that isn't what you said.

'Plus, Drones are quiet, they're small and, they can see in heat vision. Thusly, allowing any pilot to essentially see what we're doing in our own home. '

What you mean is the heat generated from powerful lamps to grow cannabis, for e.g.
Not watching us eat our dinners in front of the TV, or what we are getting up to in our bedrooms.

You are still adding to your premonition as if to say up to or over 20,000 drones will all be fitted with heat vision to watch over us.

They already use heat vision technology now.
It's heat vision not X-Ray vision - which is 'essentially' what you were implying.

Do you want to back up that?

The point is, at this moment in time you believe certain distinct things WILL occur.
I'm saying wait and see.
You are blaming him for specific events that you say will occur - which until they come to pass is unfair.
The majority of the blame, if anything does come to pass, is those that carry those actions out.

Turning an act that may help facilitate the greater use of drones for commercial use into a widespread multi-faceted spy programmes, watching the entire nation - wouldn't really be Obama's fault.


In 2015, the FAA will open up American airspace for the commercial use of drones. (a potential market generating 6 billion dollars)
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/08/26/2524731/drones-conocophillips-alaska/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/7/coming-to-a-sky-near-you/?page=all

Obama signed the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/2/drone-plans-mired-in-privacy-issues/?page=all

I already commented on it about five months ago.

So now, after all of that, you are saying IF?
The general reason we tend to disagree is because of your lack of the use of IF.

Economical with the truth is popularly used as a euphemism for deceitful, whether by volunteering false information (i.e., lying) or by deliberately holding back relevant facts. More literally, it describes a careful use of facts so as not to reveal too much information.
A similar expression appeared in Mr. Punch's History of the Great War, published in July 1919:

"Lord Kitchener has been charged with being "very economical in his information" vouchsafed to the Lords...”

 

I'm starting to smell a particular kind of rat here, and I'll tell you what it is. I haven't been able to figure out how anybody was making big money off the shutdown, so maybe it was just a necessary buildup to the debt ceiling scam. It can't be a coincidence that they always push these things as close to the deadline as possible.

John Boehner could easily be sending notifications out to key Republican supporters that a deal is about to be announced each time, or possibly even waiting to hear from them that they are ready for him to act. That would give them easy opportunities to make tens to hundreds of millions of dollars off the resulting stock price fluctuations. That's called insider trading. It's a felony, and if the SIPC catches you at it, you're looking at more prison time than the average murder conviction.

This scheme doesn't require any kind of a secret society or global conspiracy. It's just plain old-fashioned corruption, of the kind you see in every country on earth, now and then.

The simplest way to run it is to just sell high quality stocks before each crisis, and buy them back when the prices are at their lowest point, just before a Congressional deal is announced. The stocks can be sold again immediately after the rebound, or shortly before the next crisis begins.

If you're a trusted high roller with a long track record, your brokerage firm will let you open a margin account, which means you can borrow and sell a stock that you don't actually own, and make a stock purchase later to cover it (called "selling short"). That's the fastest and easiest way to make money off a stock that is falling in price. The big catch is, if you're wrong and the price goes up, you have to come up with the cash to cover the difference, plus interest and fees. It's extremely risky, unless you have inside information; even riskier than trading stock options and futures. If you're expecting a tip-off from a congressman, you do the short sale a few days before the crisis deadline, and make the buy to cover it about an hour before the public gets news of the deal.

A new problem with this strategy is that Wall Street is getting increasingly complacent. Trading these days is dominated by professionals, not ordinary investors, and they aren't so easily scared. They are starting to assume that there is always going to be a last minute deal, every time we go through this. To get those stock prices to move as much as they want, the GOP is going to have to push the deadline much harder, maybe over the edge this time, by a day or two. The risk is that global market reaction could get out of control. Nobody has a tested and verified computer model that includes this scenario. No investor knows how to avoid losing money in a worldwide stock market collapse that takes on a momentum of its own, and carries commodity futures along for the ride.

That, combined with your need to constantly tell me what I think and what my motivations are, make it impossible for me to have a conversation with you. You have no way of knowing anything about me except what I post.

 

Speaking of stock flucuations , Karen , let me refer you to oby handler john scary. This individual through insider info re: bailouts ; made good $ on a shitload of Citi stock. When oby chooses who wins and looses in business it's pretty easy to rig up deals like the HEINZ- scary folks did. Can't blame boner for that one!!!!!!

 

That was a Bush deal.

 

Most economists saying a default would be globally catastrophic are US or EU based, and you can include the IMF in that.

Public Debt as a percentage of gdp, the UK has a bigger problem than the US

The current debate is all getting mixed up in the here and now, a US default looks inevitable whether it be 6 or 18 months from now even if headed off in the next two days temporarily. Many asian countries own a big chunk of that debt, and they cant just keep raising the ceiling, thats just a defacto default without the interest hike.

Big picture, its just a flow on effect of a shift in global economics we've seen in the last two decades, since China went gangbusters

I dont see how the US and EU are going to pull themselves out of the hole they are in. This has been coming for 20 years

 

No, Karen , incorrect again. Can't pin this one on jr or boner. The kerry scam originated with the first big citi bailout that oby pulled off. I concede the evil began with jr but oby was more than happy to ursurp that power and infact become even more of a tyrant.

 

It was pushed by Bush and the Democrat controlled Congress at the time.

 

Don't know much about the UK situation, but here, moderately higher taxes on the rich and reduced defense spending would insure that we never get to the debt percentage that several EU countries have already reached. Also, if the US congress will stop scaring the shit out of everybody every six months, businesses will become more confident about the future, borrow and invest more money, and hire more people who will boost the economy with their spending. No business leader thinks this is a good time to expand, out of fear of the irrational Tea Party.

If we default, soaring interest rates will bring down several of the weaker countries in the EU within a matter of weeks.

It seems so odd to me that so many people still believe that big business is in full control of US politics, when everything going on in Washington is leading in the direction of financial catastrophe, which will greatly harm everyone, but will hurt business leaders and wealthy investors more than anyone else.

Every major bank benefited greatly from the Bush / Paulson bailout, along with its senior management and all its investors. That is, except for Lehman Brothers and the others that didn't survive. A lot of that was essential, but their investors should have had to share the pain.

 

With the kind of ubiquitous influence the Koch bros seem to have, it's getting harder to believe big corps aren't pulling every string they can in US politics. Please have a look at this Karen
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...ence-Peddling-Exposed-Blockbuster-Journalism#

The reason for short-sightedness of financial catastrophe? Cocaine...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100650821