Will the successful stick around to be soaked?

Indie

I’ve asked before and I’ll ask again why do you pump out stuff over and over when you know you couldn’t defend it from criticism the first time?

Time and time again your ideas just fall flat on their face, and seemingly you just never question them you evade and run away and then repeat them again only to have them fall flat again – you’re like a dogmatic fundamentalist creationist or you’re getting paid or something, I just can’t see any rational human actually still holding onto ideas that they so clearly can’t defend.

Anyway here we go again

As I’ve explained to you a for what seems like the millionth time - there never has been and never could be a ‘free market’

Again read - Free market = plutocratic tyranny
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=353336&f=36

And we have been through the whole thing about neoliberal globalisation thing many times

Again read - Kicking global wealth out of the driving seat.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=353922

Your anti-government rants have never stood up well to scrutiny remember the small government thread amongst others.
I mean come on man why do you still hold on to all these deeply flawed ideas?

As has been made clear time and again those ideas because they are so flawed are only likely to make a bad situation worse why not try and become part of the solution rather than been part of the problem?

 

why does one have to defend there ideas and opinions? its my idea if you dont like it then fuck off. i cant speak for indie but if he dosnt want to defend his ideas im not gonna cry about it for the last six months.

 

Individual responsibility. euros have a problem with this concept. You are responsible for your progeny. Man up. Gubmint is not a charity; unless you happen to be employed by the regime.

 

Because this is a forum for political discussion, and people who come here just to tell everyone else the same thing over, and over, and over, without actually taking part in discussions (like riptide) make the place boring and drive away anyone who actually wants to talk.

 

Wouldn't make a very interesting debate if no one challenged anyone's ideas would it...

Besides we can't have some Randian objectivist ex-pat running around slingin' crap with impunity.

Thumbs ups to Balbus :2thumbsup:

 

they remind me of the tattletale in class...mrs bradley charles isnt being fair!!
then mrs bradley responds. mr schwab, sam says your not being fair, did you let him play with your toy? no? why not? oh its not his toy...i guess i have to make you let him play with it then.

 

if people are driven away then it must not be something they really want to discuss. i know if i had an opinion that needed stating i would stick around and say it.

 

I'm talking about the difference between two parties showing up to yell their opinions at each other without listening, and two parties showing up to discuss their opinions and attempt to learn from each other. Even if nobody leaves with a changed opinion, it is beneficial to make an attempt to understand why the other side believes what they do, even if it is just to help you hone your own arguments. Too many discussions on this forum end up just being the former, we need more of the latter.

 

What would you like to discuss , eggs ? I don't suck up to your endless mantra of global socialism. Just because I don't join in lockstep to your PC mantra does not make me a "troll" ; it makes you a naive purveyor of collectivism.

 

Anyone can have any opinion they want and I don’t give a fuck - but as soon as they begin to promote their opinions and they seem to others like bad or dangerous ideas then to me it is the duty of those people to point out just how dangerous or bad those ideas are.

To paraphrase ‘all that is necessary for the triumph of bad ideas is for those that see the flaws to say nothing’

As I’ve said many times if an idea cannot be defend from criticism in any rational or reasonable way then it is probably a bad or even dangerous idea.

 

I disagree with many (maybe most) of the posters in the politics section of this site, but I don't consider them to be trolls because I disagree with them. I consider you to be a troll because you basically post the same handful of recycled phrases in every post, but never provide any sort of factual proof or rational argument as to why you feel that way. You seem to think that we should trust your often racist gut-feelings without questioning them. When questioned, you then just spout off the same things and accuse anything of disagreeing with you of being a supporter of 'islamosocialism', a term that makes absolutely no sense and one that you have still not actually provided a definition of.

 

Which makes his accusation about you making the same endless mantras over and over again rather laughable in the first place and naturally hypocritical. :bobby:

 

exactly what i was going to say about balbus. while there is nothing wrong with balbus questioning the ideas of indy and whatever other cons. it gets old asking over and over and over and over again and not liking the answer that he gets. so just saying "you havnt defended your ideas." which if i really cared that much about drama i am willing to bet i could quote him saying that as far back as july or farther.

cliff notes is how can balbus say indy is repeating the same thing over when he himself in response to indy is saying the same thing over.

 

I was trying to get you to look at the big picture

then why do you focus on the puppets

how is that a response??? if you doubt it offer proof

when have I every made statements to that affect???? there is no "REAL" difference between the criminal partys. THEY ARE BOTH FUCKING US!!!!

having the power and exercising it are two very different things. Are you claiming congress runs the fed res??????

so now you can read my mind but still can't seem to read posts. and I never said or implied that you support the republicans.our whole discussion has about if ayn rand was right not about the political parties . and now that you mention it if you don't then why do you focus on just the dems.

and if thats right how dose that not support what I said

again "
you wont answer direct questions and disregard my answers to yours. then you find fault with my source of something while not even attempting to back up any of what you say.
what gives are you one of those disinformation agents that it leaked out about???? "
P.S. last time I posted this two minutes later I could not do anything on the web on any comp in the house this morning still not working quite right. maybe he really is a disinformation agent???????

 

because some people on here expect others to defend their ideas but take their for their word without backing anything up. starting to think they maybe alter ego's of the same person

 

What is there to prove to eggsprog? The world is becoming more collectivist. The West is becoming islamofied. I think we all agree with that observation. I don't accept the afore mentioned. eggsprog and the like , seem to welcome the afore mentioned tragedies with both open arms and wallets.

 

prove what you just said that fucking simple "The world is becoming more collectivist. The West is becoming islamofied. I think we all agree with that observation." don't just say it prove it!!!(at least provide supporting evidence)

 

Okay, I'll bite.

Why do you think that the world is becoming more collectivist? Are you talking in terms of corporate globalization?

What evidence do you have of the West becoming 'islamofied'? I would appreciate it if you provided me with some sort of statistical data or evidence that shows this, or if you at least provide me with your rational for making this statement.

 

no that is their sacred "Free Market"

 

a funny quote
"
I do know that forums are closely monitored by the ruling power structure in this country and they have hired an army of mostly ignorant and unskilled people to dominate the forums and control what information can be shared with other readers. The problem with having an army of ignorant people working for you is that some of us really enjoy tap dancing with them while also sharing the truth with the predominately silent readers. Most people choose to only read the forums. I suspect that is because the army of ignorant government disinformation agents make it less than pleasant for most readers to share their thoughts. What the agents lack in skills and knowledge, they make up for by being antagonistic. Unfortunately for them...... I like playing that game. "