United States Federal Government Shut-Down

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  1. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    People don't support Obamacare. More people either want it totally repealed, want it defunded or, want congress to change it. There's only a very small amount of people who support it as is.

    After 40 years of expensive healthcare cause by government involvement, I think people are starting to realize that, government makes prices skyrocket.
     
  2. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    People support them mechanization tendencies with Verizon and indeed hospital connections and referrals. This cannot, buddy, change until we accept that a total reversal of bureaus and indifference of the public medicine option of the sudden sickness or life health cannot be offended by the system. That stuff is the system for people worried about detachment in particular situations.

    The price is rising for the requirement of the steady state economics.:)


    The public can support the bureaucracy and reduce medicine from theinvolvement with the rising price of life. The price of Life is about ideals like the Department of Internal Affaires. <I can't type again>, I mean, the Department of the Interior.
     
  3. Driftwood Gypsy

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    I have a terrible habit of being overly optimistic to the point of naivete, and i'm sad to say that while i was excited for ObamaCare intially (i have no healthcare currently) it seems to be another disappointment. how much!? it seems cheaper to just not enroll and face the fines.
     
  4. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Realistically, it's going to be another year or two before we know how everything is going to shake out. Insurance companies are basing their current rates on projected expenses, and playing it safe. After a full year of real data to analyze, some of these rates will go down, as some companies try to take customers away from their competitors. Also, more people will be getting treatment for medical problems earlier rather than waiting until their situations become dire, which saves money in the long run for everybody.

    And, it's inevitable that the program will have changes made, just like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security have had many changes made over the years, as people saw problems that needed to be fixed.

    At least we have a starting point. Every other civilized country started down this road years ago, and not one of them has given up on the idea. That's very encouraging!
     
  5. eggsprog

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    unless you get sick, of course.
     
  6. tikoo

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    i do not expect to owe any federal taxes . i will keep my health care private , that is , apart
    from any insurance or govt assistence . i guess i'll pretend to be poor and believing in friends ,
    family , and earth healing . it's what i'm used to . my age is 60 . life expectancy : 130 years .

    it is recommended to not over-pay your taxes . this means you get no
    tax refund check to which against the ObamaCare penality can be applied .
    the penality is administered by the IRS .

    a cataustrophic health-care policy may protect your assets . got any ? not i .

    i think the local 'free' clinics constitute the best idea to work from . they are
    of Essence (essential) . they may be expert , they may be kind , they are not
    authority . ah , authority is not essential .
     
  7. cynthy160

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    War spending ends? A particular war may end but others are started and the spending continues. The era after 9/11 has been the worst war spending spree ever. Why no government shutdowns about spending on military-industrial socialism?

    It's not meant to belittle the budget issues associated with something like healthcare. It's a question about why one type of spending isn't questioned yet another type that involves healthcare invokes a government shutdown.
     
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    Part of the problem with people having their existing policies from private insurance companies canceled was that the ACA didn't allow many of those policies to be grandfathered into the ACA. Now those policies are required to adhere to the ACA which gives additional benefits such as maternity and child health care, which costs more money. Rather than absorb those costs by continuing the policies, the insurance companies canceled them. The customer then has to purchase a new policy from the private company which is probably going to be more expensive. The other option is to try to get another policy through the federal government exchange which hopefully is the same or less cost but may end up being more expensive depending on the income status of the people who had their policies canceled.

    It would have been better if those existing policies had been grandfathered into the ACA. It's a lack of forethought on the part of the people who wrote the ACA.
     
  10. Sig

    Sig Senior Member

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    Then you just go out an get insurance when you do. They can't say no now.
     
  11. Voyage

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    i enjoyed reading this in an article earlier:


    John Steinbeck
     
  12. sunfighter

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    From watching the news this morning, it seems that both former Pres. Clinton and Obama himself agree with you. Obama's spokesman said they are looking at ways to grandfather these old policies.
     
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    I think it may be too little, too late now. The damage has been done.

    Personally, I am starting to think they (the admin and the ACA backers) almost wanted it to go down like this. But that is just me indulging in a stupid conspiracy theory.
     
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