Children Killing Children

Empirically I would describe the average middle class family as having a car or two, a two-story house and an acre or two yard. They're most likely white if they don't live somewhere like Atlanta. Of course, I see the average low class person in America also white, obese, and living in a trailer or low-income apartment. An income between $30,000-$90,000 on average would be what I'd consider middle class.

 

Correct.

 

in that case why are they considered by some to be lazy people trying to fraud the goverment,if they have multiple number of kids ?

 

well, if you need clarification on it i'm sure he'll only be to happy to accomodate you.as for myself, i understood perfectly what he was saying.

 

Here I don't think £18,632.37 would put you in the 'middle-class' bracket...
That would make administrative and secretarial occupations 'middle-class'.

£55,897.11 would make you in the corporate managers and directors range.

If a couple were earning £18,632.37 they could afford a two-storey house (A normal house here).
They might be able to afford an acre of land, but I would imagine they would not have a home on that land (too much land)...and if not a home, they probably would have no use for it.

I can see that somebody on £55,897.11 (with a partner on similar or lower) would have the trappings of what you consider 'middle-classness'.

I would say somebody here on £18,632.37 would consider themselves 'working-class'

I thought you might consider 'middle-class' a broad term covering quite a spread of salaries/incomes. (that's what my attempt at humour was about)

I think - here - 'middle-class' has an element to it maybe missing in the U.S (and elsewhere) - the clue being in the title (as it were) 'class'...

I think it takes more than money and possessions to be 'middle-class' here.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...onal-average-UK-salaries-400-occupations.html

(average income £26,664)

 

Do you want to explain it to me then?

 

no

 

Brrr, it's a bit cold in here...

(figured how to copy and paste yet?)

 

did'nt try it yet.

 

parents shouldnt store firearms on top of tv stands ..

 

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OH SNAP....

GIRL!!!!

NOW I know this isn't kids.. okay? But... Merica is soooo bad bout guns n all dat shit, right? There was some shooter that killed a buncha people lose in France today... just lose in...shit, it was Paris. Omg, Paris...all da people?

So, what's the deal?

I thought gun violence was isolated to America? Now... is Europe gonna be included in yer rants? And if not, why not?

 

can you help teach me how to home school? my kids gonna be 3. two years til he hits public school and..unless we move, it's the same jr. high he'd go to that I went to, THAT, a few years later a 13 year old shot the vice principal and then himself in front of half of the school in the morning, in the cafeteria before classes. I feel I have to move or home school.

I've BEEN a stay at home parent AND my two year old (three in 2.5 months) can now READ quite a few words.... he can count to 40, knows his alphabet, can do basic addition and subtraction.... all of his colors including silver, gold and tan. he's SMART for his age. I worry about him socially a little. He's been with a stay at home parent without a lot of friends with their own kids...so, not a lot of other kid exposure. SO, I need to give him that social exposure. But...home schooling HAS been on my mind A LOT...

WAIT...didn't you tell me before that a family member of yours could give me info. on how to get started with that?????

PM ME!!

 

a side note on that jr high story... I was bullied (badily) in that jr. high and I can tell you ... the vice principal who was shot (and yes, killed. kill shot.)... he knew full well about it and turned the other way majorly. SO, when it happened... I actually knew the young perps cousin n had met him. he was a misfit kid who was prolly bullied. but I wasn't shocked about it when it happened. I mean I was.. because my mom worked at the elementary school right next door. (all the kids came running there)... it was schocking ...but IT WASNT. the VP was a jerk. he ignoring kids being bullied n beat up.

so...

mental health I think is the solution and watching for bullies. when it happened to me. I imagined going into the lobby at that same school and shooting myself. but I knew I had too much in my private, non school life, to do it. Now, this kid, like I said, I knew his fam a lil... they sucked. Neglected. So, of course...he'd act out. I think its just tragic. SItuations like that. IMAGINE the kids who saw that. IN the same cafeteria I sat in for two years. But you know.. I feel in some areas, the system needs reformed.

But that is not my job. MY job is to be a parent. To either get my child into private school, figure out how to home school him, OR... teach him how to stand up to bullies. Though I guess a bully w gun...neways...

 

The middle class in the US is becoming more and more of an unobtainable myth for a lot of people, and the middle class has basically been shrinking for the last 30 or 40 years. I don't really know where you're getting your information.

 

Where did you get your information it's shrinking in the US? and if it is shrinking in the US, you can see in the same quote I said "That is changing though, probably due to America outsourcing its jobs to the rest of the world."

meaning America is giving away its middle class, particularly to countries with high bioscience capabilities.

odon is right about how broad of a term it is. you have lower-middle class, middle class, upper-middle class. everyone else is just upper or lower class. it's certainly not an unobtainable myth.

 

I did the currency conversions odon, it would seem that the UK and America have a pretty similar view on what the middle class is. the only thing is we are considerably more spacious / less densely populated so it's easier to get a piece of land than in Europe.

 

How did you figure that from re-doing a currency conversion?

I'm not sure about 'Europe' as a whole, but yeah, the UK most definitely.

 

Sounds like you don't want to learn or have learnt but don't want to use it.
You're on your computer most nights (it seems) for hours...
...and you can't find a few minutes amongst all of that time to figure out something extremely simple...
Do you feed the homeless via your computer or something? :devil:

Mmmm, something fishy going on here...

Anyhoo, I was looking into a few of the comments in this thread, and stumbled upon this article - I found it rather depressing...

Children and Guns: The Hidden Toll

When children are killed in unintentional shootings, medical examiners and coroners classify many as homicides, or even suicides.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0

 

Those two papers are online for free for those here who are interested.

Income inequality, trust and homicide in 33 countries, Frank J. Elgar and Nicole Aitken.

pdf:

http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/06/04/eurpub.ckq068

Income Inequality and School Bullying: Multilevel Study of Adolescents in 37 Countries (Journal of Adolescent Health,

pdf download link:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nuigalway.ie%2Fhbsc%2Fdocuments%2Felgar_et_al_income_inequality.pdf&ei=5HyKUqKMLsSQ2gXfzoHgDQ&usg=AFQjCNHpCh17N1QUS4n9SCYngxZnZO8QQg

 

The attached image is from the paper:

Wilkinson, R. and Pickett, K. (2009a) The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better. London: Penguin

pdf download link:

http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/files/jrf/Rowlingson-Income-eBook.pdf