What really pisses me off about sexism and gender equality

I agree that it can be very unfair, and that men are not defended enough.

There are some fantastic movements out there though, like this one: http://www.antimisandry.com

It is a shame that both sides (men and women) need to act like two sides. I was completely happy just supporting gender equality until I was totally slammed for something that I felt was very sexist - like the woman always got treated (in this scenario) like she's innocent and absolved from blame and I was always in the wrong and bad.

It really upset me so I did some searching and found those communities. It's different to masculinism.

Anyway erm, I do think unity is best - it's such a shame that the genders fight sometimes. We should all help each other, regardless of gender.

As for true equality... I can understand why that isn't really possible. Men and women really do excel at different things. I prefer the "different but equal" approach.

Anyway erm... I mean any woman that is really worth being with will understand this kinda stuff, just like the inverse is true

 

This is where I so often run into conflict, as you probably assume. I believe we socialize females and males differently from birth. "Different but equal" is just another catch phrase like "civil war", or "same difference".

We stopped segregating and treating race differently (for the most part). People were once very afraid of the idea of integrating different races. We are better off now no longer believing different races need different discrimination, or believe there's some fundamental difference between humanity in race. I believe there is no fundamental difference in the humanity of men and women. It's culture. This isn't the era of the caveman anymore. We no longer need a social system between men and women that works as if it still is that era and is needed to ensure humanity's continued survival. Most of us all well beyond thinking about how we're gonna survive from day to day. It's time we let go of the architecture that was built around that kind of primitive system.

 

Maybe... but we have different hormonal profiles and so on.

Men are bound to be more aggressive, competitive and fight for the "alpha" position because we have more androgens (testosterone, etc) flowing through our veins.

Women are going to be more emotional and sensitive... maybe due to... I dunno... estrogen? I'm not sure

But... I think there is more difference biologically between a man and a woman than a man from England and a man from Africa.

 

The OP seems to have forgotten completely that women are the gender that carries and gives birth to other humans. Our bodies are wired to produce babies, therefore we are most certainly different from those of you who cannot do that.

 

Yes, there are biological differences which are aside from what I've talked about. Vagina versus penis, ovaries versus testes, more estrogen versus more testosterone. But I think you'd be surprised at how little that might actually have to do with the social aspect of humanity. Do you think an African's biology dictates that his behavior is different from the Englishman? Or is it a long running difference of background in culture and conditioning? I believe the latter. This is why people from around the world seem so foreign in the first place. Cultural attitudes and norms have varied greatly throughout history.

Biology has very little bearing on who I am as a person, I am very much a product of my environment beyond my physical attributes. I reject the notion that people can tell "who I am" by checking between my legs, because who I am so to speak, lies somewhere between my ears. Gender is a concept, and sex is a fact.

 

No offense, but I think you've just shown from this post a lot of naive thinking by this brush off of biological differences because they impact more than you might think.

1. Healthcare and other medical legal things that accompany the biological differences.

2. Blood alcohol level limits

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Until man figures out how an embryo can grow and develop outside the womb, it is understandable for women to have her reproduction/parental rights.

 

I still stand by my point, they are not the key factor in determining who a person is.

But... lemme get this straight? Because a woman carries a baby, a man gets no say? What is he, a sperm donor? No parental rights either? That is sexist bullshit. This is exactly what I hate. You are utterly delusional and bigoted if you think that just because a woman births a child, it's more HER child than it is his.

This is what misandry is all about folks. The devaluation of someone because they're male.

 

hehe - misandry 101, eh?

I'm somewhere between the two of you. I do think men and women are different but equal, but I also think that outright discrimination against either gender is obviously wrong.

I'm sure that men will push back more if it's needed

I don't think we're the type to roll over - we're just a bit lazy is all xD

 

Points.

That's all you really need, if you think about it. I wouldn't waste my breath arguing with feminists. Can't think of a more unproductive thing to do.

I believe this is scientific fact. Not that I am against "separate but equal".

I believe in free association. If some whites want to live in their own neighborhoods, or go to their own schools, restaurants, or whatever.

That's their business.

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Edit: Just because you require women to go dutch to have a date with you (as well you should), doesn't mean you're entitled to that date.

 

Nonco,

you're dating the wrong kind of women for you. I've always shared expenses with my dates. I'd feel like a whore if a man would be paying my expenses. Just for the record, I have nothing against prostitutes, but I've chosen another career. When I'd go out with my dates, I'd invite them just as much as they'd invite me.

Now, most men don't pay stuff for women to be good gentlemen: they want pussy. Equal or different as we are, the average man has more of a need for pussy than the average woman has for a dick. I sometimes wonder if men who always pay are probably thinking they have no other assets to get a woman in bed with them, but money power. Who knows why they do it? I don't have a clue. Why do you validate bitchy behavior?

You go on a date and she doesn't share expenses... what is preventing you from dropping her? Don't play duck.

I think there is a misunderstanding on the equality thing. We aren't equal. I've got XX chromosomes and you've got XY. There is a world of hormonal differences between us. I could get pregnant (not anymore), and you can't. I've got a vagina, you've got a penis. You can grow muscles more easily (more testosterone), etc.

Men created these laws and rules we live with. Men wanted their women like retarded inferior things in the house, because men are so insecure, or something.

Laws are still made by men. Take a look at parliament. It's still a majority of males voting these laws. And the things you complain about are inherited from a time where there were only males making decisions. Go spit on your male ancestors tombs, because they're the one's who fucked you up.

The things of honor and chivalry: men invented that. Some insecure creature, and now, you're all paying for that. You don't wanna be a soldier? I sympathize. I can totally understand you don't wanna fight some idiotic war initiated by, guess who... and idiotic man. Because, come on, how many of these wars were initiated by women?

I'm not like you. I'm a woman. I'm more emotional, more affected by a bunch of shitty hormones. Equality for me is a matter of respect. You respect me and I respect you. We both acknowledge our differences.

I think lots of these threads are created by men who aren't getting laid. One is frustrated, because one can't get laid, or is broke and can't pay for dates, nor prostitutes, than one comes to a forum to vent. I totally sympathize, because I vent in forums, too.

I offer you a hug. Eventually you'll get laid.

 

In summary, we shouldn't be equal because you gots the vag and I gots the peni and everything that is wrong is a man's fault. Get lost lady.

I'm sick of women trying to tell me that they're more emotional than me because I'm male. More sexist indoctrination and garbage. I am, and I can be very emotional. I'd venture to say a lot of my discontent has to do with how I feel emotionally, not my drive to get some as the sexist fools continue to suggest. Regardless of the hormonal composition within me, I am emotional. Period.

The sheep don't seem to get my point about biology. Maybe you can get pregnant, maybe I can grow muscles. Neither of those things will necessarily happen, if we don't want them to. There's nothing in my DNA that says I give a shit about working out, being buff, or being a fighter/protector. That's just a part of the social identity males are given on the part of their parents and their environment from the time they're one day old.

socialization, socialisation [ˌsəʊʃəlaɪˈzeɪʃən]
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1. (Psychology) Psychol the modification from infancy of an individual's behaviour to conform with the demands of social life


You're not entitled to a special treatment as a woman, I'm not entitled to a special treatment as man, that's where my philosophy begins and ends. People need to stop clinging to things they've become dependent on for a false sense of security. Guns, religion, government, and yes social classism, such as gender too.

 

Hey Nonco....
I'll take you out for a meal... I'll pay... and then I will Fuck your lights out....x

 

Seriously though... I had some guy say to me that if I slept with him on the first date he 'would respect me in the morning'...... I would like to point out that I believe in 'Thigh freedom'.....

 

Bit harsh. How would you feel if I flipped this round and said the same thing about feminists?

Doesn't feel so good, does it?

 

That qualifies as woman-hater status, I believe.

 

Okay let's make an analogy for it. Say you leave something (a item specifically a piece of property) that you willingly brought over to someone else's house.

You forget it, and now you need it and the item is CLEARLY owned by you.

But the owner of the house won't let you back into the house. Does that give you the right to break into their house to retrieve your item?

The answer is no, because you're trespassing.

The house is the woman's body, the item is representing the sperm you put there, which represents 50% of the baby it forms, the other 50% is her egg.

And I agree with that too, there are some policies that need to be reexamined, because the discrimination has no logical basis.

But I criticized nonco55's opinion, in an attempt to say his position is an OVERcorrection, and is just as ideologically dogmatic as the extreme feminist position.

I mean for example, the same dosage of certain drugs administered in a medical setting for a man, could seriously injure a woman if the policies had to be EXACTLY the same.

And Nonco's saying that men and women be treated the same in LITERALLY EVERYTHING. All I told him was 'hold up a minute' here are some exceptions and here's why, and he responds by calling me delusional and biggotted...indicating he couldn't defeat the logic of the post he was responding to, he had to make a personal attack which is no where near true.


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I also want to add that past girlfriends have bought me things in a relationship, and I vice-versa, so I personally haven't experienced this problem, because I practice a version of Cherea's advice...don't let the pussy control you, if a chick is being controlling or is throwing her power around in a relationship then you break up.


Also one of my friends (female friends) got divorced and is paying her ex-husband alimony so I now have proof it works both ways. (in this case the husband lost his job in the 2008 Recession, and she had a job during the time difference and so how finances work in divorce here, favored the man since the income earned happened while they were married)


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Well both genders do complain about this issue, so where's the favoritism here? Especially in this modern day I keep hearing the younger and younger generations saying things like "I need to get laid/sex" or something like that.

Very blunt, very upfront.

 

Its the fact that nearly every guy who makes a thread like this has to throw in something about how hard it is for men to get laid. They may make some serious points that may deserve a serious discussion but the heart of the matter usually seems to be that they're not getting any and that is somehow the fault of every female who never had sex with them.

You could flip it around on feminists and say a lot of things that would probably have some truth and that have probably been said around here multiple times.

 

There is definitely a "friendzone" complex. "I was nice to a girl, treated her right, didn't assault her...and she still won't have sex with me. I was friendzoned." As if a lady is obligated to screw every man who treats her decently.

 

This is really stupid, because it's just not the same. If it were, I'd call the police and have them escort me out and retrieve whatever was mine from the property owner. This is different. It takes two to create this "material item", so it cannot belong to a single individual no matter how you slice it. It is a joint-ownership.

I think a better analogy is saying I work on some invention with someone at their house, had it patented, and then they locked me out and decided they were going to do solely what they wanted with it. But as I clearly have legal proof of my work in the project, they can't, and if they tried I would have the option to sue.

I've many times over admitted there are biological differences. What you do not seem to get is the difference between biology and sociology. You either ignore or else don't understand what the latter actually is. Biology has a marginal impact on social reality. Especially when you consider the vast array of unequal treatment as a whole, i.e. pink is for girls blue is for boys, baby dolls are for girls army men are for boys, etc, all the way up to women should be gatherers, men should be hunters. All this pointless shit that does not need to be, and especially not anymore.

From a biological perspective it takes not only a woman, but a man as well to create another human being. Which is equal. Therefor society should see that both have equal say and equal right to that child.

Yes I know my views seem radical to you, they are contrary to everything you were brought up to believe. But I simply see no benefit to the continued "gender" based classism and inequality between the sexes.

 

So, just because someone cares about the rights of their gender, they must have something wrong with them?

I'll go alert the feminists to this new nugget of information, see if they'd like to weigh in xD