Reasons for nonbelief

I will not say what is true and what is not true because who am i to decide that...just because if you can not see something it does not mean that it is not there...but then i think that religions were and are made for those who can not live without an answer to the question we have all asked at at least one point in our lives...what is the meaning of it all??...they choose to accept the way of religon so they have something to believe, something to trust for there pure existence...but then there are also those who haven't a choice but are born into a family and surrounding of a particular belief and then i think it is simply brain washing...and yes this is how wars can, have and will be developed...and so i choose to stear clear of choosing to join a religion but then i must instead struggle to find my own beliefs to satisfy the questions that hunt me...but hey its led me to see from the outside, which is a gift in itself and to learn not to hate but to except all for who they are...no religion...its worked for me!

 

Roxy

1. And just because you cannot see something . does not mean it exists.
2. Wars are mosly started by ego using nations. Not ego using religion.
3. You have your 'independent point of view' based on the rejection of 'common points of view' [based on no evidence. religion].
To underatand...We all need to FIRST..reject 'accepted social views'
Then base our understanding on a system which results in the LEAST contradiction to observed reality.

To occam,,religion offers nothing but contradiction... Be it islam or christianity [the monotheism] Or hindu dogma or any other 'god' based belief...
All are contradictory. All based in human agendas and human political
motivations. All are human control sytems applied by ego to other humans.
All using BOOKS writen by the controllers...
The book is TRUTH,,Because the book says so...
And the book [example,,the bible]
Was written by MEN in the 6th century.

And occam can follow no 'god on earth' that never laughs or cracks a joke.
For the 'destruction of a man' , the description of jesus by the bible,
Is just that.
MEN turned the MAN into a deity...They thought a deity never tells jokes or gets the runs...
Yet jesus did both...Why dont we read it in the bible?
BECUASE IT IS EDITED.
Just like Newsweek.
[ps..example...suicide was edited in as a SIN when people started killing themselves to get to heaven..CANT have that..religion looses its funding]

Occam

 

roxycheerI will not say what is true and what is not true
they choose to accept the way of religon so they have something to believe
learn not to hate but to except all for who they are

I will only say what is true for me, and if someone has a differing view, it is true for them, tho I do not include hate in that.
I do not feel all members of religions have the same motives for being there, but that there are numerous ones, some reasons are easier for me to understand than others.
I feel that to accept other faiths as equally true and valid to mine shows respect, modesty, and love. And I feel it is logical and wise to do so.

 

Because I dont know...because i am not sure for i have not felt, seen the truth behind it all i will not say what exists and what does not exist, but simply be grateful for this life, for my existence and the people who share this life with me...and I think that is enough for me.

 

mmhmm

 

I too am just happy to be here, and am amazed at what a gift this life is.

 

So you are afraid of herd instinct causing another atrocity (such as the slaughter of the Jews in ww2). Obviously herd instinct is not limited to religion. Nationalism (germany ww2, austria ww1) plays a large part in war between nations and ideologies. Look at the Mao lead communist uprising in China and what happened to that nation after embracing an ideology that opposes religion.
I think all nations and ideologies should be destroyed because they cause war!!!!

Another thing you could consider is this, that if God is controlling things- God is controlling from 'behind the scenes' without giving direct commands. God makes people the way they are so they will make the decisions they make- murder, war, love, hate- they are all part of what happens without God having to give a direct command to the dictator or murderer that decides to do these things.

Ok, if you don't want to think about it, why don't you go ahead and let someone else think for you? You were joking, right?

 

Non-belief.
It is logical.
It is the conclusion that makes the most sense, barring one having a personal experience that defies rational explanation.
No critical examination of the pro-theist 'evidence' is convincing to anyone with a good grasp of scientific method and logic.
Non belief needs no reason, it is the starting ground.
Belief needs the reason, or else it is just blind faith, based on a decision made with something other than the brain. Maybe made by the heart, maybe the soul, maybe the adrenal gland. It cannot be laid out logically for all to confirm.
That is my view of non belief.

 

If only it was that easy...look at Bush today.

 

the fact that the majority of the worlds leaders believe in some sort of "God" is rather disturbing to me. it proves that all is bullshit.

 

How exactly does that 'prove' anything? I don't follow you at all.
You must be really special, since you are by your own estimation, at your young age, already wiser than the majority of the world's leaders.
How does your head fit through your home's doorways?

Why be disturbed? So you are 'sure' there is no God. Well, maybe you're wrong. It is disturbing to me that so many people think that just cuz they have never experienced something, no one else has either.
It is a very self centered and egotistical perspective.
Have you ever had any paranormal things occur in your life?
I have, and if you haven't that doesn't change a thing in my life.

 

How can you be so critical if you yourself claim that these paranormal occurances must be experienced personally to have 'faith' in it? Do you agree that you would not necessarily believe unless these things happened in your life?

Conversely, I haven't experienced any of the sort, and even though you have that doesn't change a thing in my life. Mainly because it is a subjectively significant experience that I have yet to experience. Unless these occurances could be proven scientifically, however, that would not necessarily bring with it any other presuppositions of already present mysticism.

Individual life, in a less strict sense, is the height of egotism.

 

Or maybe it shows that God favors those who believe in God. Whatever, however...

 

I think it is more of an indication that we are still a religious society.

 

Or maybe an indication that many leaders need to believe that God is directing their actions, because otherwise decisions that lead to loss of life for the leader's followers would be to depressing for the leaders. If it is meant to be- what fault lies in the leader for the decision they have made? God's plan is the ultimate skapegoat, and allows leaders to make big gambles without feeling like they are responsible for wrongs to the people they lead.

 

I can and do only speak for myself, as I have often repeated. I have also said that it clearly doesn't affect yours, or anyone else's life in the slightest, of course, how could it?
I must admit it is my conclusion that it took many paranormal occurances in my life before I really, firmly, accepted that they were significant.
I cannot see how anyone can avoid an 'individual life', as you put it.
I would not consider my views egotistical.
If you do, please be specific as to how I am so, and then I will best be able to improve myself. If I agree, of course.

 

maybe she means that what we are told from our world leaders is bull shit...not the existence of a god itself...just checkin??

 

All true and not true...God-yes or God-no........

Pick your reference,
gain your preference.

loops of self-referential notions....always ending where they begin.

 

You may be right, though, to me, there are countless possible reasons for it. I agree that your idea is likely a common one, but I also think that sincere spirituality is one too.
I don't see the connection between non-faith and depression over loss of life. In my view, the guilt and doubt would exist either way.
I do agree, though, that there are some religious followers who do so 'just in case', or to shift blame ie: 'it was God's will that I didn't succeed.' and 'the devil made me do it.'.
Another possibly common reason for the leaders to be religious is that they chose to profess their church membership early in their political careers, strictly as a means of garnering more votes. How cynical eh?