What really pisses me off about sexism and gender equality

Sorry, that wasn't neccessarily directed at you. You've been quite reasonable compared to other people who have made similar threads in the past.

I've seen other people make threads that seemingly question gender equality but always end with incoherent whining about how women never hit on men in bars.

I do know women who don't mind hitting on men or paying for dinner, but in all honesty I think the majority of women don't feel they need to take the initiative simply because they don't have to. When a couple of attractive women go out for drinks they are usually approached constantly throughout the night and probably just enjoy the space between being hit on to breathe and talk. They aren't going to feel the need to go seek out men.

If you don't want to play that game take Cherea's advice from earlier in the thread. Don't play the game. Don't hit on women, don't pay for dates. Its not a difficult concept. Men routinely complain about what they perceive to be societal obligations, but in truth you aren't obligated to do anything regarding the dating game.

 

I love the way this is exactly the same argument used against Feminists about the things they feel are unfair to them in society!

It's kind of strange hearing it the other way around!

 

a lot of complaints from both men (for example, child custody laws) and from women (for example, unequal compensation in the workplace) are valid concerns that deserve some serious debate and some serious change in both culture and laws.

A lot of complaints from both women and men are just societal constraints or traditions and will go the way of the buffalo eventually.

 

Tell me what a feminist is and why it deserves to be capitalized. The way you keep bringing up feminists reminds me of the way homophobes bring up "The Gays" in every conversation they have.

You do know that there are many different types of feminists, don't you? They don't have the same beliefs, complaints or goals.

For one thing feminism is just a label. A way of grouping together people who care about civil rights in relation to gender.

As a feminist I don't think of myself as complaining about anything that is unfair TO ME in society. I am not a feminist for myself. When I think of feminism it is a sense of understanding and defining gender and class roles and equality within those roles.

I am thinking almost solely of children and the way they grow up. I am not just thinking of female babies when I think of feminism. Feminism affects men, women, boys and girls. We all have feminine and masculine traits, we all have mothers and fathers.

 

Agreed.



I actually have heard girls use the phrase "get laid" in a self-descriptive manner.

So I think it's used equally. But this isn't seen public ally because girls tend to talk about sex in quasi public private settings. (Their bedrooms, bathrooms, private phone calls or texts)

Guys will just say it out in the open and its witnessed more.

Females also use phrases like "get shitty, or get some".

And they also make up lots of creative euphemisms for communication among themselves too.

 

That is pretty funny, actually. Check your reps.

 

usedtobehoney - I honestly have nothing against feminism (surely capitalisation or not means zilch?) but it does bug me when they try to impose the word on me.

To illustrate, I'll flip it. Masculinism and anti-misandry are issues that affect all of us and we all have the masculine in us. We all have male relatives and by supporting gender equality you are expressing masculinist and anti-misandrist views.

Feels condescending, presumptive and uncomfortable, does it not?

To all feminists: If you like it then just enjoy it and stop trying to push it on other people.

 

I know when I'm just being messed with. I'm not that easy of a target. Otherwise you too seem to not understand that biology tell us this is not true.

Since many, I would argue all, of the things you just said are of course not ever "absolute", they cannot be true about sex. Since there is such a high level of overlap in the characteristics between two people male or female (that is, some males can do better academically while some females do worse and vice versa, some males are more emotional while some females are less emotional and vice versa), you cannot say for certain that sex determines these outcomes. Something other than sex determines these outcomes, ie, genetics, environmental stimuli, socialization, etc. Sex only determines it if it is absolute across the board, one sex always this and one sex always that. Which studies have shown is rarely the case in many areas between men and women, such as the brain's physical structure even where it shows difference, the reaction to variables, and it's development are essentially equal. They're both capable of the same things. There is never an instance where something only happens or is true of the female brain, or only happens or is true in the male brain. That's because there is no male or female brain, there are just different brains.

 

I agree with the point you make here.


But you are wrong in one major respect, that being there are physical differences between male and female brains.

There's differences in the pituitary gland and how information is processed.

It's called lateralization

 

Oh. Yes. Since we want the male privilege of being able to go to college if we chose to do so and actually make money for it... yes, we must take you out and buy you things. You DO realize that most strong, independent women already split things on dates, right? Yes... why do I get the feeling but your post though that you feel women OWE men something for being ALLOWED the PRIVELEDGE to go to college and earn money? And no, women do NOT make equal money to what men make for the same job. And women have been proven to be more intelligent (fighting words... but I DO mean women get more college degrees and complete college more)...so, thank you men for allowing women to have a shot at life.

Chivalry is dead and men like you killed it. Not women.

 

Going to college and bringing home the bacon (super outdated..) is something that is something that both sexes should be able to do. Lots of women expect that courting phase from men because I think they tend to encounter a lot more shitty partners than men do. If women were more often the cheaters and liars, then maybe more men would want to be won over. But in reality, I haven't met too many guys that are looking for that. I'm not saying, though, that women should not be just as nice to their men as their men are to them. Courting someone is for both sexes

there we go!

 

nonco55 - Well, I did say "tend to be". I would imagine we would have to see studies to verify if that's definitely true though. I'll take a look later

 

So, because there are exceptions to the rule, we should dismiss the rule altogether?

Woody Allen's dad lived to be 101 years old. He ate red meat and smoked a pack of cigarettes all his adult life. Should we then say that cigarettes do not cause cancer?

 

Well said!

 

As far as women expecting men to pay for dates, from my experience it generally tends to be the other way around. Every guy I've dated has WANTED to pay for our dates and acted like I was insulting his masculinity if I offered to split or pick up the check.

 

One could argue that's been culturally encouraged though.

 

so? we try to change that and offer to pay.

we can't be blamed for both the cultural problems that cause men to feel like that AND for "insulting their masculinity" when we try to break the cycle.

 

Not all men feel their masculinity is insulted when the girl pays or splits the bill.

 

I always pay the bill, but my wife makes the money... best of both worlds I guess.

 

that really has nothing to do with intelligence.