Oby!!!! Take down this health care site!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by RIPTIDE59, Oct 5, 2013.

  1. eggsprog

    eggsprog anti gang marriage HipForums Supporter

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    If you write it in English, I'll respond.
     
  2. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

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    Now I understand "the peoples republic of quebec". Can say you seig heil en francais?
     
  3. eggsprog

    eggsprog anti gang marriage HipForums Supporter

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    Can you say it in English?
     
  4. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    Ba-dum-daa
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  5. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

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    No. We will never have to do that in this country. Does the vast left wing audience know that the Howard Stern Show can not be franchised in canada? Why is that? Does your gubmint pick and choose what the citizenry can listen to where you live? Did you know that canadiens abridge free speech for jury sequestration? Good ole euro statism/socialism right here in NA. Auchtung babaaaaay!!!!! Comrades eh? Ha go wait around for 18 mos after your heart attack.
     
  6. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Merry Christmas; now I shall BE conservative, but vote for whomever I please. Those Russians do nothing and get instantly into the emergency ward. I wish that Greenpeace told them off now.:bobby:
     
  7. eggsprog

    eggsprog anti gang marriage HipForums Supporter

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    My father had a heart attack on a Saturday night, the ambulance arrived within 10 minutes of the 911 call, he had an angioplasty on the Monday morning, and was home on Tuesday morning. He has had regular appointments with his family doctor and cardiologist since then (a couple of years ago), and has regular stress tests and bloodwork to ensure that everything is going well.

    Your myths and lies about the Canadian health care system may work on people who have no experience with it, but they won't work on me.
     
  8. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

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    Truthfully , Mr. sprog , I wish your father the best. One of my x wives had a lot of family all throughout the colony. They were constantly waiting for care. You can accept the regulators in your lives thats fine. Many Americans prefer individual responsibility and wish to divorce themselves from government presence. We have vast cultural nuances. Folks in canada have no problem accepting a despot on their currency , for example. That would go over like a phart in church here in US.
     
  9. Anaximenes

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    Yeah, I should have one of those. My Chinese cardiologist keeps threatening me, once a year mind you, that I will regret going into paralysis for my habits of physical effort; now I get it, I need to get my virility along with the early morning jog, or something like that.:2thumbsup:
     
  10. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

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    3 #'s. Ana. LDL , HDL , and BP. Get those. Very important. Then , input this info. into the "Framingham Risk Score". Google this. This will equate to calculating your risk level for having an angina attack within the next 10 yrs. Egg!!! Do this for you Dad as well. This is the leading indicator for cardio health. Good prevention can keep you from having to enter the haulocaust of institutional health care. Viel gesundt!!!!! LOL

    Just editing to add. Everyone north of 50 ( including liberals , lol.) should take the Framingham test and adjust accordingly. Just sayin ; the best response to obycare is staying healthy and not using it!!!!!!!!
     
  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    My sister just signed up for insurance using the Affordable Care
    Act last week. She said it took her ten minutes, no health questions asked and the same coverage as she had previously was cheaper under the ACA.
     
  12. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

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    Funny , the only other "success" story of oby care I have heard was an oby plant paid to profess "cheaper" care. How can this happen when the "subsidy" section of the software is still inoperable for many and a minimum of one in four quoted prices is bogus. Perhaps , me again , you can hold your cries of glee until you are positive. After this regime has produced so many false flags. Additionally , does one success story make up for people losing care? You need to come up with a little better than this. Sadly, oby lied ; people died. Libs , shills , reverse racists and obyphiles are intellectually void to dispute this .
     
  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    There is no glee other than I am very glad she could find insurance. I am only relating a fact. My sister is the only one I know who has accessed the site for insurance.

    My wife and I have checked it out even though we don't need to use it yet. It looks like my wife can get very similar coverage as she has now, through the Cobra clause of my policy, at a cheaper price, that is without checking to see if we qualify for government assistance. That is a huge relief to us as I will be going on Medicare in a few years and we will still have to pick up her insurance. We are currently paying over $10,000 a year just for her.

    While I don't like the ACA entirely, as it has flaws, hopefully it will work much better than what we had previously.
     
  14. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

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    What is so wrong in going to a broker and ordering a policy almost tailored for your needs? I can still do this for one more year. $10k could be a deductable given the scope of some of these barry policies. I'm 55 ; I'm paying $209/mo with a $5k deduct. By 2015 it will be $7-800/mo with a $14k deduct. More folks are getting quotes closer to mine than yours ; I'd be willing to bet. Again , keep your health , keep your $ , pay cash for check ups. Avoid obycare. Pay the tax/fine. By time you need it ; the free market possibly can return to pick things up.
     
  15. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Already tried that. No one can touch the coverage she has for what we pay...under the old system, that's why we still have it.

    You're paying $7508 a year counting your deductible and you're younger with no previous health record. My wife has previous issues and needs two knees as she has been bone on bone for a few years now, they will cost us very little. She has no deductible, etc. Your insurance doesn't sound too good.

    I can't speak to your future costs as I don't know where you're getting your figures or what policies you are talking about. I won't be willing to bet, I would rather wait for the facts, but I hope you're wrong for everyone's sake.

    It's very easy for someone with good health to advise someone else to stay in good health, unfortunately it isn't that easy for everyone. Genetics, disease, accidents, and old age tend to complicate matters from time to time.

    And BTW, the ACA works within the free market.
     
  16. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

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    Incorrect. I pay $2418/yr currently : 209 x 12 ; until oby gets me. You must be practicing dimocrat mathematics. When you are forced to purchase , that is not a free market situation. You should know better that that.

    One of the fixes to this mess is now allowing the customer to preview the purchase. I have . Healthy, middle class , middle aged , white males with rural or suburban addresses being the demographic to pay the highest. Well, I have been redlined at the above payment. Congrats to you sir , you have won the health care revenue sharing game. There exist more of me than you. barry is hoping for this. I'm not participating. Many of my ilk are also refusniks. Needless to say , the young and healthy just scoff at the humor. Who gets paid first ? Student loan or the jihadist in chief and his ponzi scheme?
     
  17. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You are not including your deductible, I did and I stated as much, reread please. If you get sick or are hospitalized you may hit that $5,000 deductible pretty quickly.
    You are playing the, I won't get sick or hurt game, nothing wrong with that, there are policies available under the ACA that allow you to do that also.
    If we had a $5,000 deductible our insurance would be much cheaper also.

    I will not debate the illusion you have that the health care system before the ACA was more of a true free market system then it will be after the ACA in this thread.

    That is how insurance works, always has. Private insurance, which the ACA covers, has to make a profit some how.

    So at age 55 you're dropping your health insurance and not participating, becoming a weight to your fellow citizens.

    In 2014 you'll have to pay 1% of your yearly income or $95.00, whichever is higher, and all of your health care costs.

    In 2015, 2% or $325 per person.
    2016 2.5% or $695.
    After that it's adjusted by inflation.

    Remember you will have to pay for all medical expenses, which could quickly lead to bankruptcy. So I assume if you discover that you have an expensive treatment that will be needed, you will run out and buy some ACA insurance before you get your procedure, since they can't turn you away anymore thanks to President Obama, and use the system against itself. Or go bankrupt and not pay your creditors, you know, use them.
    Nice. Instead of contributing to the greater good while you are healthy, you will wait until YOU need medical care and then screw someone else. I've been paying for health insurance for over 40 years and only needed my health care a very few times. I don't mind paying for the comfort of knowing I'm covered and letting others use my contributions.

    I could be making the wrong assumption, the average cost of a one day hospital stay in the U.S. is around $5,000, maybe you'd just pay as you go.
     
  18. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

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    No. YOU remember. I have stayed reasonably healthy. Always worked and insured myself. Now this. Bullshit. I don't need the same insurance you or the wife with bad knees does. I pay the first 5k. Fair enough. Why should I pay more than what I am now ? Either monthly or in a deductable? To pick up your slack? Just askin are you overweight? Strong , healthy people don't need your bullshit insurance ; I have one year with my current. From there on , as usual , I avoid the gubmint. We don't concurr. By that time , your shit show should shut down. Go drink more kool aid and suck up to your boy barry making healthy folks buy your wife's knees. Who is the burden on the system again? I do one check-up yearly. Passed three kidney stones in 55 yrs. Still paying my monthly $209. Your boy barry wants $7-800 monthly from me for the same damn service. Don't you ever accuse me of bleeding the system. Did you manage to get them to subsidize your fat ass too?
     
  19. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    No wonder you get into trouble around here Rip, nice attitude.

    I'm 151 pounds and take a baby aspirin a day as a precaution due to my age, no other medications at all. Exercise a couple days a week, hiked 17 miles in the Appalachians in one day in 90 + degree heat this summer with a thirty pound pack and wore out my marathon running 22 year old niece. At my last checkup my doctor told me to not come back for two or three years as I am in excellent health and he didn't need to see me on a yearly basis.

    That being said I developed a bleeding ulcer a few months ago and had a three day hospital stay that required two pints of blood. The doctor said it was due to genetics, not life style and there was no way of predicting or preventing it, I probably had it for one or two weeks before it started to bleed. Shit happens no matter who you are, or how you live.

    Both my wife and I have worked and paid into the system since we were in high school. We contributed for many years without drawing on the system without complaint, we have no problem helping others and would prefer to pay for healthcare, but never need it. As I said I would much rather be healthy and subsidize those that aren't then to loose my health.

    Insurance only works when those that don't need it contribute to those that do in case they too may need it at some time.
    By not participating when you are healthy you will become a parasitic member of society, not helping when you can and using the system when you can't....or you'll refuse to use the system when you need it...and just go off to die somewhere.

    Have it your way if you wish, I choose to help when I can.
     
  20. RIPTIDE59

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    Ahem , Me again. It does sound like you are well maintained. Even socialists agree the best available health care is prevention. Those aspirins may have contributed to the abdominal bleeding. I was told to only rely on aspirin in the case of extended chest pain. So let me ask you this , should you be morally held responsible to fund the care for alcoholics and drug abusers?
     

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