How will you get yourself into heaven?

I believe my vision to be the truth. read the Urantia book and tell me most of it didnt resonate as truth within you...

 

I wasn't referring to your particular beliefs but the psychic function you describe, the how to of getting into paradise.

 

i've read the Urantia book , then lately the Gnostic Bible ... if
it's just lying about handy i'll read it . of the few books i've
ever kept hold of is one A Philosophy of American Education .
my student thinks she is pagan gnostic . i think she least
understands pagan , which is more about respecting the great
bear than personally knowing the universe , but hey , what's
that bear in the sky ? how can you know ? it's best just to go
on a Quest .

 

There is the Jewish and Gnostic Christian Jesus, a man, and there is the one Rome created who is the boot kissing wimp that Rome preferred.

One frees the other slave you to Rome/Western governments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVfY9k&feature=player_embedded"]Jesus Christ: Madman or Something Worse? - YouTube

I dislike many of Rome Jesus' policies. Especially his no divorce policy, let no man put asunder, and his forgiveness policy which is definitely not as good as the Jewish law. Both are anti-love and love is supposed to be what Jesus was all about.

Regards
DL

 

"You do not understand, there are no marriages in heaven". Divorce was allowed to accommodate hardness of heart but what god has joined, no man may put asunder.

Compare what you suspect to be forgiveness policy to jewish law, explaining of course why you think one superior to the other.

 

I really liked this page on Jesus... http://www.ewtn.com/library/mother/ma05e.htm

 

Which judge has the hardest heart?

The one who sees no love in a relationship and allows divorce so that the people can find a love connection for a good life or the one who denies divorce and forces living in misery?

P. S.

Why would you lie about marriage in heaven? You have no way of knowing the rules there.

Regards
DL

 

It says Jesus is God and that is just stupid.

Let's not think of the morals of his policies. Can't burst that bubble that makes us embrace human sacrifice and punishing the innocent.

Regards
DL

 

where do you see that? i see "But most of all He was the Son of God "
yes he embraced Gods divine personality. that what they mean by he opened the gates of heaven for us, by showing us how to act right

 

LOL. You have him embracing his own personality.:2thumbsup: Not.

No God worth his title would ever close the gates of heaven against souls who are exactly what he created them to be. Unless he screwed up on creating them.

You paint Jesus as less than a Universalist and the Roman construct is for sure but the brighter Gnostic Christian Jesus, a man, was.

How could he not be when preaching that the kingdom of God is within each of us?

Regards
DL

 

Ok this is where your wrong. He loves all souls equally, but in order to reach paradise you need to be of divine personality. do you really think hed allow none other then such to reach paradise and become creators of their own to create existences with nothing other then love? Its called an ascension path for a reason, you can choose to take it or not. hell, in my opinion, is not taking it and ascending higher and closer to god. Just constantly being reincarnated to relearn the same lessons over and over until you finally get it.. turning your back on Gods will and infinite love. the gates are not closed per se but you cannot even see them until you have garnered enough experience through many lifetimes. and with experience you learn.. with wisdom comes mercy . only a divine personality with infinite love and mercy can comprehend the infiniteness of love and compassion in paradise.

 

No, no, to get through the gates of heaven one needs the right sauce on his fish sandwich and the guarantee of avoiding limbo is for no sauce at all. It's just the lesson of respect and tolerance in a christian upbringing. Now that's a joke eh? Eh there Raymond (Babbitt) Ha, ha: he acts back.:mickey:

 

The one that holds you liable or the liability you insist on and of these two they are equal in their meanness. Marriage,(institutional,) as well as divorce were both designed to accommodate hardness of heart. To manage peoples inability to emotionally deal with their intimate concerns and the reactions of their own nervous system, in a relatively non violent way, with each other. To put a civil lid on potentially discordant relations. This is accomplished by treating women as property and establishing proprietary rules for how that property is negotiated or exchanged. What god has joined with the affectionate heart cannot be put asunder. People will ignore every convention to be with their love. No relationship we have with another person ever ends.
The random person you smiled at on the elevator many years ago remains part of the substance or your life. Individuals wax and wane in relative importance to your current situation but they are never absent.
Eve symbolic or corporal was Adam's companion not his wife. Marriage from the beginning was not so. In this world we live for and with each other that none be forsaken, in heaven we find ourselves co-creator with god.

Why would you say I lie, do you know the rules of heaven? Where is there? Heaven is the perception of the world as god created it, a world perceived without blemish. What rules are needed to deal with the harmless?

Greatestlam, I am still curious what you think the lesson of forgiveness is and how it is less than the lesson of jewish law. Could you explain in more detail what you mean by each?

 

And so you ask the question what would jesus do? Are you here then to dictate what those acts should be? A finer and more pertinent question, how would you treat christ knowing he stands before you always as equal to the least of us?

 

i would follow, as many people did in that time, in order to learn how to be more like him. they knew there was something about him. something special, something divine. they knew it could change their lives.

there are many qualitites to the opposite of "ill-will"

 

I cannot dictate anything...
I would not say christ was our spiritual equal...
it is your experience. find out for yourself

 

If i WERE to "dictate" anything, it would be that Jesus had a divine personality.
Jesus Was Micheal Of Nebadon Bestowed upon earth to teach us a lesson. So yes ... be more like Jesus. Jesus was the first soul to come to earth and not have to be reincarnated to learn any lessons to immediately be sent to paradise after he died.

 

You are missing the point. As you do unto the least of these my brethren you do also unto me. What guidance do you receive from the apparently least worthy of us?

 

Precisely not so, you have your own judge and in his words a man feels justified for out of the abundance of the heart does his mouth speak.

 

I must be considering I have no idea what you mean... Least worthy? you mean people lowest down on the ascension process?
" As you do unto the least of these my brethren you do also unto me" this quote is from God himself.. yes much confusion between god AND HIS SONS in the bible... but thhis quote means God feels sorrow when you do ill-will