eating meat

Isn't fish meat?

 

Tried it before, it doesn't work for me.
I like and need meat.

 

Weirdo.

Murderer.

Heathen.



Nah, just kidding fuck the ethics in my humble opinion, all in this together.

But yeah.. what's the produce like over there? cos one of the reasons I stopped eating meat was that it's fucking expensive and the qualities pretty shit, which makes me think there's a load of other unnecessary chemical crap in there too.. for example, most of the chicken is like 70% brine..
Occasionally there's some top notch pork, but the beefs pretty much all shite here unless you're willing mortgage your house for a meal.

 

The answer to this is really obvious if you consider what/how humans ate while still hunter/gatherers.

A diet consisting of numerous small meals of mostly plants with bits of animal protein (insects and such) daily with an occasional, weekly/bi-weekly large meal/portion of meat.
Eating a heavy portion of meat daily isn't all that great for your guts.

If we were to follow the same formula, lots of veg/fruits/"lighter" animal proteins daily, and occasional, regular meals of meat, we would most likely be healthier overall.

I may not agree with PR on his political views/conspiracies ideas, but when it comes to nutrition he really knows his shit.

PR you REALLY should consider it as a career path as you obviously have a passion for it.

 

Technically speaking,fish is a kind of sea-cucumber.

 

i eat nothing with a face on it.

 

Scientific evidence, please.

 

There you go:

 

Whether or not one believes that humans are natural herbivores or not, I don't really think that it is relevant. I see this chart thrown around a lot, and I'm sure it is flawed, but it provides some interesting comparisons:



My main reason for vegetarianism lies in the fact that humans are capable of living very long, healthy, and enjoyable lives without meat (even if there weren't any major veg. civilizations, there where/are groups of vegetarians living in those societies who were able to be healthy through generations). If you can live a good life while minimizing harm to other creatures, why wouldn't you?

 

The problem with it all is, we still know pretty much fuck all about what food we should/shouldn't eat. All medicines are basically derived from obscure plants. And we know fuck all about medicines - esp when pharma cos bribe doctors to give us shit.

Most vegetarians look anaemic and lack muscle mass. And it didn't exactly do Linda McCartney much good did it! I'm sure you can get a lot of nutrients from plants, but again, which plants? And do they give us anything fish, meat, animal produce don't?

Its believed that early humans became more intelligent after they started eating cooked meat. It might sound artificial, but everything about humans is technically "artificial" in one way or another.

I'm not a fan of lots of red meat. But I'm really not sure on some of these plant proteins. On the current state of research, I reckon its sensible to have fish, white meat, and a tiny little red meat. With lots of different fruit and veg. If thats wrong, I think a lot of research is needed to prove it.

I'm not gonna change my opinion because of some guru type called Buddha. Who constantly preached "moderation and abstinence" but looked like he spent all day eating cream cakes.. :-/

 

no chance!orange carrots. thats a lose too.:smilielol5::smilielol5:

 

Personally, I am a meat eater. I eat organic fish and chicken mostly, but sometimes i'll have organic beef. My best friend of many years however is a Raw Vegan, and has been one since she was 8.

You say,
"and there has never been any group of people living anywhere on the globe at any time that has sustained solely on a plant-based diet for multiple generations."

I'm sorry friend but I have to disagree with you. Jains, Hindus, Monks, certain Native tribes, and the millions of vegans that thrive and raise vegan families are those groups of people!

My best friend is certainly part of the New Age idea because she's only 23, but she's also studying her masters as a teacher and really knows her stuff. She's a very educated person and made her choices based on compassion. To her, it wouldn't even matter if there was no "ancient cultures" that were vegan. She lives a gentle and kind life and she's very alert for all people, the planet and the animals. The long term benefits she sees through her activism is mind blowing, she's met young looking people who are in their 40s but are really in their 60s. Even reducing animal product intake is pretty incredible. All of her raw veggies look like 5 star restaurant plates.

This is one of her typical meals:


Speaking for her, she would probably give this website out to justify.
http://veganismisthefuture.com/veganculture/

There's a lot of negative hype from a lot of negative people but it's the same with anything on the internet. The honest unbiased truth is out there and if you manage to find the best recourses and information and speeches one could figure it out for themselves. :love: :sunny:

 

Personally I think I have a better life with a limited amount of meat in my diet. I find it strange to see that it (most of the time) always have to be an extreme where it comes to making a choice regarding a healthy diet. To me it clearly makes the most sense that the healthiest diet is something in between extremes. It's not good to live on factory meat and eat fucked up chicken wraps every day, but neither is it good (imho, for most people) to go totally vegan.
I don't see why I would diss vegetarians if they function well in life and I definately believe it can work for them but when I hear it proclaimed that all meateating is barbaric or that we are supposed to be herbivores I definately get annoyed.
I hate factoryfarming too but I love eating meat and I know consumption animals can have great lifes on farms if we all would make an effort. All we need is to be sensible about it.

Whatever you wanna call a benefit I would take the opportunity of having a choice to heart. Bean and rice are great food. So are hamburgers and bacon and eggs! But as with everything it seems the most satisfaction in the end lies with the art of moderation/timing.

 

Go on please. (and don't start with B12 again because we've had that discussion before)

Results speak for themselves. There are so many people who have overcome cancer, diabetes and heart disease by going raw vegan. (without chemo, insulin injections or heart pills). Of course, doctors will tell you it's impossible. Where would they get the money from?

And as i said before, I'm not going to argue here about whether humans are herbivores or omnivores. You say there are nutrients we need that we can only get from meat. And you say we are omnivores. It is a fact that omnivores can thrive without meat so you're missing sth.

 

It is possible to eat healthy and not eat meat but it is rather hard as you would have to include enough healthy protein sources and iron and various other things... in any case, I also only eat-well, I eat local meat from people who I know who have killed an animal... I always know where my meat comes from. My meals always include some of the above mentioned meat plus lots of veggies(usually I eat a green salad with avocadoes, olive oil and almonds)- sometimes I include a little fruit... and I really don't consume carbs often. So, mostly I eat meat and veggies. But no, you don't have to eat meat in every meal but only if you know what you are doing imo.

 

You are what you eat.

I am a chicken.

 

Gimme some pulled pork on a bun with some bratwurst mmmm

 

I have been vegan for a year and don't see myself going back. I loved meat until someone opened my mind to where my meat was coming from and how unsustainable the meat industry is. If you don't agree with big corporations and corruption you shouldn't eat meat. If you love our earth you shouldn't eat meat, the meat industry contributes to so many ecological and environmental problems we are having.
I'm not saying eating meat is unhealthy or wrong, but unless you raised an animal yourself and then killed it with your own two hands you shouldn't be eating meat. People act like its extremist when its really not, humans are a lot more closely related to herbivores, and being vegan is not hard. I feel healthier and better than i ever have in my life and i only eat plants . Next time you eat some meat, take a second to think. Where did this meat come from, what animal is it, how was it raised, how many chemicals and hormones was it injected with, what did it eat because you will be eating it to.
Also why would you want to put something that was tortured into your body, you are what you eat.
The only nutrient you get from meat that you don't get from plants is creatine which is non essential and can easily be supplemented.
And lastly for anyone that uses the "Humans evolved eating meat" argument, that was before we had access to literally any food you could ever desire in a supermarket, farmers market, or your backyard etc. So we have evolved to a point were we have access to any plant you could need, so why eat meat and continue the animal suffering, pollution, and health problems that it causes?

 

Meat is delicious. Vegetarians gotta keep tabs on their protein intake