A very selfish attitude

What is the ideal amount of meat that people should consume?Remember that different occupations have differrent energy requirements.I grew up mainly on carbs, vegies (a large percentage of which were home grown organic) mainly because we could not afford much protein.

 

Such statements are misleading. No such land could not be used to grow vegetables as in most cases there is not a guaranteed supply of water available.Tomatoes for instance require well drained dark soil but with a regular dosage of water.Maize requires heaps of water.It is almost impossable to overwater maize.Also if you plough up hillsides you get soil erosion.

 

you couldnt afford much protein (meat), because it costs a lot of resouces to produce and thus more money to buy. some people can't afford large screen t.v's....but thats a good thing because if everyone in the world had a large screen t.v. the world would run out of resources pretty quick. we have to quit this lifestyle of luxury, and the world isnt going ot do it cold turkey so we gotta start to wean ourselves off our high energy consuming ways, one of which would be to drasticly reduce or eliminate meat from our diet. its not gonna solve the worlds problems but its a start.

and i don't knwo what the ideal amount of meat would be, but i'll tell you this, in our culture meat is the main stapple of most of our meals, where as in quebec, they have a main course meat meal about once a week. thats probably a sustainable amount of meat, but thats certianly a hell of a lot less than what we as a soceitty consume.

 

Why can't you just look at the naked facts?? Meat is BAD for the environment and health (obesity, cancer etc...)... Why argue about the small details when this is a HUGE problem. We don't hate meat eaters, no! It's just that you need to stop hanging on what you are used to, bad habits are difficult to get rid of, we know... But the world is changing, and you can choose to adapt ...

 

All forms of agriculture can be bad for the envirionment.Sure you could get fat from eating meat if you ate enough of it , but obeisty is caused by eating carbs-this is the basis of the Atkins diet, by cutting out the carbs.Indiginous peoples around the world have old people among them and cancer is very rare them, yet they consume high amounts of meat.I admit there is some evidence of chemicals added to sausages that might cause cancer, but not meat in itself.Personally speaking I found low fat foods to be unhealthy for me.What I do watch is the type of fat that I consume.If you are concerned about your health and what you eat, I suggest you research margarine.

 

how would u like it if they took ur grass away?

 

Actually my neighbour at the back of my house does just that, he mows my nature strips (verges)at the front and down the side lane with his ride on mower.Yes I appreciate that.

 

Obesity is caused by taking in more calories than you burn. Period. It doesn't matter whether those calories are inthe form of protein, fat, or carbs.

Americans do eat far more meat than many other cultures. We also eat a ton more processed carbs - white bread instead of whole grain, etc. White flour is only slightly harder for your body to break down than white sugar. We also take in hundreds of times as much white sugar than people did a century ago, in the form of soft drinks. These simple carbs are what are unhealthy, not carbs in general.

Atkins is a complex system where you convince your body it is starving, because it doesn't have enough of it's basic fuel - carbs. So, it starts burning fat reserves. It's not a healthy thing to do, it puts enormous stress on your system. But, just cutting down on carbs is not doing Atkins.

 

Ok give me the scientific research not urban myths to support what you are saying in respect to health.

 

Hmm interesting thread... Anyway, humans are naturally omnivores, and going against nature is bad... Meat is not in any way unhealthy, look at all the carniverous animals... Just like it's eating to much, not what you eat, that causes you to get fat, it's overproduction that screws the environment, not what is produced...

 

Getting back to the original idea in this thread, I have sometimes heard people say that cats are bludgers because you cannot work them or eat them.Well you can eat the domestic ones if you want to. I have never tried but they are meant to taste a bit like rabbit.Cats have a right to exist as do cattle.
These bovine nazis such as PETA want to wipe cattle of the face of the earth.What ingratitude! Cattle have done a fantastic job for mankind over the centuries.Where would we be without cattle?

 

Seriously, if cattle weren't so useful to us, they'd probably be extinct by now...

 

Uuummm... where exactly do you get the idea that Peta wants to do away with cattle? It's quite the opposite.. they just want them to be able to live their lives free and unbound. The bovine nazis you speak of are the cattle industry.. duh. Hitler was a nazi. He enslaved, tortured and killed millions of people. The meat industry enslaves, tortures and kills millions of animals everyday. I think you need to rethink your accusations.

 

And you know the meat industry does this how?

 

Shutterfly if you want to put an end to animal concentration camps, the answer is not to go veg*n but to eat and demand free range meat.

 

1. I keep hearing meat referred to as "protein" like its the only reputable source. I'm gonna get you down to the cellular level. As you may or may not know all living things are made up of cells. Both plant and animal cells consist of organelles. Now, both types of cells don't contain all of the same but they both have Ribosomes. Ribosomes are what manufacture protein in cells. They do their job by stringing together amino acids the "building blocks" of proteins. In addition, both typed contain Endoplasmic Reticulum. The smooth ER is responsible for making pathways for the protein to travel through while the rough ER takes care of everything that isn't a protein. This proves that both plant and animal cells contain protein no matter how negligible the amount.

2. Cholesterol is found in animal products, never in plants. This is because the liver manufactures all the cholesterol an animal (we're animals) needs to function. So when you eat animals, you're eating the cholesterol their bodies produce. This means that cholesterol you consume can be found building up in your once clean arteries. Arteries provide blood flow to all the organs and tissues in your body. When the arteries are clogged they can lead to wonderful things like heart disease and stroke. YOUR PENIS is an organ. Now doesn't it make sense why Erectile Dysfunction occurs more prevalently in the meat eating constituency?

Source: The Anatomy Handbook by Wynn Kapit/Lawrence M. Elson (My high school anatomy text)

Check out The American Cancer Society at www.cancer.org there is some major research being done that links meat eating to colon cancer. More specifically, http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/c...g_Lots_of_Red_Meat_Linked_to_Colon_Cancer.asp

Even our anatomy favors a plant based diet. Go onto a search engine and look it up. I can't stress the importance of educating yourself enough. It's amazing how much the meat and dairy industries tried to refute this stuff. It's just common sense.. GO VEGAN PS sorry i got off the environmental topic but I'm just throwing out information that I remember seeing stuff about

Ask away, I'll answer any question and back it up with unbiased sources

 

First of all SIEKK, welcome to hipforums.
Well I have to say, oh yea.I am 44yo and can sometmes manage five ejaculations in one day.Trouble is I don't get much else done.I know a guy who is slightly younger than me, is mostly veg*n but has trouble getting a stiffy.Also If you have been led to believe that cholesterol is some sort of poison that is to be avoided at all costs, consider the following facts.(1) France has a high rate of cholesterol consumption but a low rate of heart disease.Much the same can be said for Spain and Greece.(2)You only have to look in a high school biology text book to find out that cholesterol is an essential ingredient of every cell of not just humans but of every animal.In other words without cholesterol, you would not exist! (3) A cholesterol lowering drug Cerivastatin (R) was withdrawn form worldwide sale after many people had become seriously ill and the 100th person had died from taking the drug.Case proven, cholesterol is not bad for your health.

 

Of course it's not bad, our bodies make it. So why would you need to eat the cholesterol made by the livers of animals other than yourself?

PS Thanks for the welcome!

 

I was just thinking , if grass clippings or lucerne is grown elsewhere, are used as fertilizer, what was the fertilizer that was used to grow the grass in the first place? Essentially what this woman is doing is outsourcing the fertilizing process.