Peace, Love and Harmony aren't universal.

Both wrong answers...You seem like 14 to me right now....LOL

 

I don't think you can shrug it off forever either....I mean how long is a person supposed to turn the other cheek? When I have had enough, I dish it right back, but people cannot take their own medicine...I guess.....

I got way too serious here...I am sorry about that. Yes, I am human... flaws and all...am trying to lighten up some more on this forum. I just came from a forum with only older women mainly who were all very serious, and we had to mind our p's and q's there more. Anything abrupt was deleted over there...I was always kind...and so everything nasty became very insidious, from other people towards each other, which is what I could not handle...so i am reajusting now, and will learn....I will take blunt and honest over insidious, though... It is something real to work with.

 

I have always been this way....As a tiny girl, my best friend was 80 years old, so I NEVER saw age.....

 

Not to sound overly cliché but a simple truth is that we only perceive things as bad, cruel, hateful, or vicious because that is our interpretation of those things. The same can be said for good, love, kindness, etc. You or I may perceive one person's actions as being "inhumane" but yet in that individual's eyes it may be exactly the opposite.

 

I "may not vote on any more threads today" (bummer) but if I could it'd be green thumbs up.

 

That's one of those neatly boxed, prescribed beliefs. I always disagree with them. I see things as they are ... for what they are. It drives me bonkers when other people interpret instead of see. Seeing isn't interpreting and interpreting isn't seeing.

 

Yet can we truly see without interpreting what we see? How is the theory of human perception neatly boxed? Clarification is understanding

 

Yes, people can truly see without interpreting.

One day, sitting outside of the Town Hall, I saw a bunch of police cars and dogs. I didn't interpret anything. What I did was scan the environment to see what there was to see. I took a walk and noticed that the police cars were from other towns. I saw the area marked off by those orange cone things. I never interpreted anything, I just kept on looking and seeing what there was. When I took in enough information, it was obvious: there was a K-9 dog training in process.

If I hadn't bothered to SEE what there was to see, I might have stopped looking when I first saw the police with dogs. THEN I would have started to interpret, and I might've thought there was a criminal investigation happening. But perceiving and interpreting would only come about if I had limited information, and if I allowed my own thinking to get in the way. I didn't think anything, didn't suppose anything, didn't guess. I just SEE.

 

That is true but yet you still had to perceive all those things to understand that there was training going on did you not? Either way we are talking about two different forms of perception here. The aforementioned refers to the inherent human perception of good and evil, etc. That is more of an emotional response to both inner and outer stimuli. The current one we are discussing refers more to the perception of the purely physical kind.

 

Whether it's physical, verbal, emotional, etc., we can know without having to "perceive and interpret". For myself, perceive is a secondary word.. and that may be why I reject it.

"inherent human perception of" .. it may be more accurate to say recognition or knowledge. If words are the primary tool by which shape our mind, then a less accurate word will yield less accurate knowing. In the K9 example, I showed the mechanism by which I knew what was, and it wasn't because I was perceiving anything (I think the matter here is the definition of perceive). I knew because I looked directly at what information was readily available. I was recognizing, and I think that word is much more accurate and appropriate than perceive.

 

You seem to see things at least as subjective as anybody else. I'm not dissing you, it's what we all can deduce from your posts.

 

Honey, your logic is terribly flawed and yes, it would probably be a good idea if you brushed up on your vocabulary.
Common definitions of words is pretty much a vital component if you ever wish others to understand or comprehend you and your ideas.

Regardless of what you think, you are constantly taking in information, analyzing it, sorting, quantifying it, etc. etc., all of which results in you recognizing it.

The state of pure awareness without "processing" of information is a state that can be attained. It can happen spontaneously, with the assistance of certain psychedelic substances and through years and years of dedicated practice.
It ain't no easy feat.

So not sure what you are going on about, but it certainly isn't what you surmise.

 

That's the internet (as to the youtube comments)... Many people who are perfectly nice (or at least too afraid to say something to someone's face) love to lash out at people online. I honestly just think it's because their lives are so miserable that that is a way for them to feel better about themselves.

Typically the best thing to do is just not let people like that get to you. Why let people you don't know bring you down?

 

Funny thing about "I don't consider those things to be freedom" is that they really are part of freedom. It is just that gina interpretes it as unwanted and therefor it shouldn't considered 'to be "freedom"'. That's my take on it anyway
To be clear: I'm not saying that by stating that I also mean it should be condoned , applauded or that acting on it violently should be socially accepted. Just that hate and acting on it are part of us and supressing or denying them would simply not be considered freedom in any way by most people.

 

I'm a superhero not a predator.. but I do still get hurt and I cry ..

 

I don't get it.


And I get hurt and cry too?...... (of course)....but I don't cry about comments on the internet.

 

Life, in general. Doesn't matter if it's on the internet or at the bar or shopping at walmart. The negativity, hatred, abuse, violence .. it effects us. I guess I don't believe in "keeping the peace" if that means accepting what's really not okay.

 

Don't get me wrong.. I used to get upset by all kinds of injustices everywhere, including the internet. Luckily I have since decided I value my sanity and happiness much too much to let things that, when it really comes down to it, aren't the important things in my life, bother me.

 

If the way we treat each other isn't important, then I don't know what is. If the quality of life is so degraded, then it matters. I know this thread is gonna change the world, but it at least gives me a place to air out the (shared) frustrations. That's valuable.

I understand that there's good and bad in life but when the bad is too bad & too much .. we have breaking points. There's this saying, "god will never give you more than you can handle". My response is .. maybe god doesn't, but human beings sure do.

Anyway, I have an unavoidable future as a bag lady pushing a cart down the street. Know what that means, don't ya? I had better learn to be a super good sport!

 

Funny, I was reading this thread again and this song came on radio...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7aGAIWe3uE"]live and let die- paul mccartney - YouTube