US CDC urges vaccinations amid dangerous flu season

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  1. graxton

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    The article by Karen Starko that Mercola posts on his site about the misuse of aspirin in treating the flu in 1918 should be considered a reason to be suspicious of people like Mercola whose primary interest is the direct marketing of his products for personal financial gain. Mercola is capitalizing off his instilling of an unreasonable fear into people about vaccines to sell his vitamin D supplements. It is similar to the marketing approach that was used to sell aspirin during the 1918 flu outbreak.

    From the paper by Starko:

    http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/49/9/1405.full

    "A confluence of events created a “perfect storm” for widespread salicylate toxicity. The loss of Bayer’s patent on aspirin in February 1917 allowed many manufacturers into the lucrative aspirin market. Official recommendations for aspirin therapy at toxic doses were preceded by ignorance of the unusual nonlinear kinetics of salicylate (unknown until the 1960s), which predispose to accumulation and toxicity; tins and bottles that contained no warnings and few instructions; and fear of “Spanish” influenza, an illness that had been spreading like wildfire."
     
  2. graxton

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    Mercola preys off people who have a sentiment that goes against the government and medical establishment. He uses an old approach of twisting facts in a way that instills fear into people and then offers his products as a solution to quell that fear. For example, he conjures fear into people about microwave ovens and lack of vitamin D and then sells $85 cooking bowls and $4000 UV beds to quell that fear. He has been successful at it to the extent of making a revenue in the 7 million dollar per year range and owning a $2 million home. Kevin Trudeau uses an approach similar to Mercola, although Trudeau as no medical credentials whatsoever whereas Mercola at least has some. Both make personal claims by selectively stating some facts along with twisted interpretations of the facts. Such claims aren't justified overall in an objective sense, but they are justified enough in a psychological sense in the minds of their listeners who appeal to fear and the anti-establishment rhetoric.
     
  3. pensfan13

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    now you know why im a fan of them.

    the guy that works next to me came in with the flu yesterday. lets see if that vaccination helps me.
     
  4. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Yup, exactly what I said, only not as eloquently. :p
     
  5. odonII

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    I think that should be: helps him.
     
  6. newbie-one

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    In fairness to rat, I'm sure that adequate sleep and proper diet and exercise are very helpful in promoting immunity. In principle, they might even confer greater resistance to disease than a flu shot.

    However, there is every reason to believe that a flu shot would increase one's resistance to disease over and above these methods with little or no side effects.

    Microwaving is a separate issue. I don't know how good or bad microwaving is, but it does apparently reduce the vitamin content of foods.

    Support for vaccination has a strong foundation of evidence and the consensus of the medical community. I'm not as sure about microwaving.
     
  7. odonII

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    If you happen to be privelaged enough to be able to have a good diet and be able to exercise.

    Heating food, regardless of method, destroys a certain amount of nutrional value.
    The longer you heat the more so.
    You tend to heat food longer in ovens.
     
  8. AmericanTerrorist

    AmericanTerrorist Bliss

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    I am not routinely against or for the flu shot. I think a lot can depend on the individual person's health and risk factors.
    That said I can attest that boosting your immunity based on healthy eating and supplementation with things including vit. D3 can prevent you from being sick if you also work to avoid being around sick people and are diligent about hand washing and basic cleanliness.
    I make sure that everyday I eat a large salad with various dark greens, that also has broccoli and avocado and olive oil on it. I eat like that in addition to consuming a large amount of vegetables, some fruits and avoiding processed foods and GMO's. Also, since I have started taking 3,000 IU of D3 daily I have been around people (lived with people) who had a cold more than once, have touched things they've touched, slept in the same bed, etc... and have not gotten even a TOUCH of a cold since.
    So, I do believe you can boost your immune system by means such as that.
    That said, everyone should make decisions on the flu vaccine based on their own medical history and risk factors, as I've stated before. It's right for some people and not important for others.
     
  9. pensfan13

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    Not sure i follow. Its a bit too late to help him.
     
  10. xmas

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    I have a terrible sinus infection. So now I'm taking antibiotics and Ibuprofen. It's the worst sick feeling I've gotten in years. I'm rarely sick with the flu though, so I haven't gotten the vaccine. My dad gets the flu a lot so he got the vaccine. He gets the flu almost yearly though. I'm pretty sure I have a good immune system, but I need to quit smoking. I'm not sure but this winter has hit me pretty badly with stress, the lack of sunshine etc. I wish u all better health.
     
  11. hotwater

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    I know there are a number of other stories locally and around the world that have dominated the news recently but this is the first time an Ebola outbreak wasn't the lead story :confused:

    At least 60 people have died from an outbreak of the Ebola virus in Guinea. This particular outbreak has moved from the jungle to Guinea's capital city, Conakry, and reportedly crossed into Liberia and Sierra Leone.

    The virus is transmitted by blood or other body fluids. Victims bleed internally and externally. The fatality rate can reach 90 percent, according to the World Health Organization. To learn more, we spoke to Ian Lipkin, the John Snow Professor of Epidemiology at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health in New York City.

    Hotwater
     
  12. pitbullmoma

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    I am with you ,I am fearful of having one myself.My Dad always got one and got sick from it so Mom didn't get me one.The way thing's are going though it may get me in the end!!!:(
     
  13. OddApple

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    Well, we never saw much flu, but the whores sure will say anything to sell them and they get some medical people to hard push them. Professionals are very divided because it just looks different from the other side and more and more have plenty of doubts about some of them.
    But yeah, just updating to say "what "dangerous" flu?" Because I really don't think there's much to worry about until the arab plague manages to jump here. We think it will be used for a weapon.
    Ebola outbreak over there should slow down. I would think people would almost have to try and spread it, but, our ways are different.
    I guess we'll have to watch ebola...
     
  14. newbie-one

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    Ok, evidence?
     
  15. newbie-one

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    some vaccines have a "live attenuated" virus. this means that virus has been severely weakened, but is still an active virus. if someone has a compromised immune system, they can get a mild form of the viral infection.

    other vaccines use dead virus or virus fragments. if you're concerned about getting a mild case of the disease for which you're being vaccinated, you can get one of these kinds of vaccinations.
     
  16. OddApple

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    Ok that comes with a password and if you don't have one I guess you can either take what I say for what I say or go pee up a rope for all I care. Haha please, by all means, I want everyone who wishes to get vaccines to get them. There's even a damage fund now so if one burns you, you can get money from the government for being gorked.
     
  17. odonII

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    Who are these 'we'?
    Is that the royal 'we' or is there dozens of people talking to you in your head?
     
  18. OddApple

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    Our science club as it were. I don't know if the cdc thinks it will be weaponized but I'm sure they are creating strategy if it does. The most likely candidate right now for a pandemic is the sars conking 50% of people who get it in the middle east. Even the cdc says that.
     
  19. odonII

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    Ok.

    (MERS)

    Middle east respiratory syndrome (MERS) is a viral respiratory illness first reported in Saudi Arabia in
    2012. It is caused by a coronavirus called MERS-CoV. As of September 25,
    2013, more than 53 out of 128
    people that have MERS-CoV infection developed severe acute respiratory illnesses such as fever, cough,
    and shortness of breath (CDC, 2013). About 50% of the people infected with MERS have died, most of
    them from Saudi Arabia. So far the countries that are most affected are Saudi Arabia, United Arab
    Emirates, Qatar, and Tunisia. As of fall 2013, no cases have been identified in the United States. Although
    MERS has not spread rapidly throughout the Middle East, research suggests that the virus spreads
    through physical contact.

    http://www.vaccination.english.vt.edu/docs/fall2013/MERS-information_sheet.pdf

    (just so people believe you ;) )
     
  20. ginalee14

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    I think the "health" / medical industry has done enough harm that people are right to question everything .. including vaccines.
     

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