Seeking REAL chemistry advice on 5-meo DMT

Hello,

Up against an ignorance wall here.

The more i read/research, the more i come to learn that 5-meo-DMT, as well as coming from two sources (synthesized in labs and harvested from glands of Bufo Alvarus), comes in two different forms: freebase and various salts (such as HCl).

Is there a difference in dosages and effects? Are both equally active?

Is there a relatively easy way to convert an HCl salt of 5meo into a freebase form? Is there any point in attempting such a procedure.

Thanks in advance to those in the know. i am an ignorant person who reads non-technical books . . .

Peace & Love,
Spicey Cat
Brrrrrrp?

 

The only 5-Meo-Dmt i ever did came from a chemical company in New Jersey and that was in 2003 I think.We ordered 3 -one gram vials of 99.99+% pure 5-Meo-DMT labeled not for human consumption.It was a white crystaline powder that we smoked out of a glass meth bong..One good hit and it was all wild as hell...have not seen it since those times.Wish I could remember the name of the chem, company,altho 5-MEO-DMT is probably illegal now I guess.Sure like to get some more if it is not...

 

would you sat the 5-meo is very similar to just nn-dmt? just as natural? just as magical? just as everything? or does it have a differnt feeling to it? is it as natural? as spirtual?

 

Well, now that i've actually tried it i've learned a few things: It does not need to be converted from an HCl salt to freebase form to be completely active. It is quite usable in the salt form.

It is very, very different from N,N. Much less visual, much more a powerful feeling. Even more spiritual IMHO . . . i have only had the one real experience to date, but it was pure soul orgasm . . .

It comes on faster and heavier and is about 3x as strong/potent. i got strong effects at 8mg.

 

Can't help you with the chemistry aspect Spicey Cat but I can recommend some literature for you.

 

Yeah i am aware of Oroc's book and how he got it published (Hope to do something similar at BM and other festivals in 2012 with my own ego-fest of a book.). i am hoping to pick up a cheap (ha ha), used version of this sometime soon. i have a nice psychedelic library and this is a glaring hole. Thanks for the reminder.

i have decided that i think i love 5meo, but that it is not going to be like N,N for me. It is going to probably be more like LSD or MDMA - a couple/few times a year rather than a week . . .

 

It sounds like a good trip to me. That being said, does anyone know how to pull the psylocin out of the shrooms? To make it more intense and better?