Actually, one more thing about details. I have learned that much if not most of the time, the details of a thing are what creates more problems (by confusing the bottom line) than anything. In any argument for example, repetitively reciting the details as to why you are arguing only serves to create a situation where the argument can never end. Focusing too much on the details creates confusion, distracts and creates a no-win environment where people cannot get past the details to the fix. Focusing on details too much in any disagreement (and politics is all about disagreement) negates the need or ability to take personal responsibility for your actions. (I.E. "I did that because........") Laying blame on something outside your self, which is a form of insecurity. The insecure, or angry, or egomaniacs in the crowd use details as a type of fuel for their arguments, most of which are on a gross physical plane, and will keep you tied to the same. You see, my bottom line is this. You cannot remove spirituality OR psychology from the subject of politics, or you create a no-win situation, no matter how you stack it. And if you are not in the position to understand that, then you cannot go any farther than where you already are... I dare say most paid politicians have no grasp on what they are actually creating.
Thumb So what do you believe are positive ideas and what do you think are negative ones? So what is your goal? In what way are you active and who or what for? You say you organise what do you organise? You say you get in the public eye what do you do there that pushes you political ideas? What do you mean by living alternatively? And you say you advise but what is it that you advise? Many of us on this forum have been or are politically active outside of these forums. This is an online forum for the discussion of politics but people have lives outside of it. But why shouldn’t people come here and enjoy political debate? I’m trying to work out what your ideas are so that we can discuss them but asked to explain them you replied - I don't repeat. I don't explain. What I said is what I mean. Always. You then claim that been asked to explain your thinking is just ‘nitpicking’ and you don’t like to discuss details. Asked again you tell me I would only ‘know’ when I became ‘enlightened’ which mean I’m still unsure what your ideas are. Please give us something to debate. Which subject do you wish to discuss, I’ve commented on many? It you mean the subject of this thread, as I say I’m still not sure what it is. What the hell does that mean? There are right wing Christian fundamentalists who would say their politics was ‘spiritually’ inspired and political advertisers and lobbyists that use psychological techniques to push their agendas. Personally I’m not in favour of politics being treated as some dogmatic religion or in psychological trickery so can you please explain your thinking here? Again what are you actually giving us to debate? What personal responsibility are you talking about, in life, in a debate, what? * Oh come on man - this is just silly, puerile and really undermines your credibility as an honest poster. Why is your inability (or refusal) to explain your thinking somehow making me autistic? I’m not but you knew that already you were just being childish, please grow up.
Balbus, I ask if you are autistic because it would be something I can understand as to why you are so unable to grasp nearly everything I say. That alone could supply the reason why you cannot debate or respond in any kind of reasonable manner. It is a reasonable question which I supplied a link to information about. So far this entire thread is mostly all about you and what you want/demand. All take and no give. And what you want is for me to keep repeating the same things over and over again in slightly different wording, while creating an argument, the argument being the most important aspect in your view. I joined the forum to find LIKE MINDED and INTELLIGENT PEOPLE TO CONVERSE WITH. I know there are some here. I did NOT join to waste my time defending my personal beliefs and doing battle with one very demanding and manipulative person. You are no one to me but a random stranger. Why should I make it my life's work to pick apart my belief system point by point for hours on end for your entertainment? THAT IS A QUESTION. ANSWER IT! Perhaps you are not autistic, perhaps you are a Narcissist. I have spent years removing unpleasant and negative people like that from my life. And life is sweet without all that horseshit. Why would I EVER want to go back to it? It is truly sickening. I have played the game your way for a few minutes, but have no more time or patience for your willful ignorance and disrespect. But rather than just give up at this point, I will give YOU one more chance to ACTUALLY DABATE, as this is what you say you want to do. I have my limits. You have crossed my line. Therefore, I am going to let you know what MY rules are and you will either follow them or you will be ignored. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? That too is a QUESTION. ANSWER IT! Now, We will go back to my ORIGINAL POST and start over from scratch. I'm sure you can find it. Now, seeing how your goal is to take the opposite side, as in the way a DEBATE actually works, please respectfully state your position on what I have said. DO NOT under any circumstances pick it apart line by line but taken as a whole STATE YOUR POSITIONS. No labels, name calling, or talking in circles. No putting words in my mouth that I did not say.... Then if I find your stance even makes sense and is not full of misunderstandings and misquotes, I will reply. I WILL NOT REPLY to anything apparently designed to flame or otherwise cause purposeful negativity and disagreement. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? YES OR NO will do. A reminder, you are not the only person on this forum. You seem to fancy yourself as some kind of "King" which is far from truth. You mistake your position as moderator and make this a very unpleasant experience. Do not feel that you must simply keep talking just to keep the thread alive. I would rather it die a natural death. There are other people here who have expressed that they agree with my take on things. And I fully agreed with Rat's statements. Why do you not ask THEM why they agree with me? You have singled me out to pick on in a very childish and unbecoming manner. I can not respect anyone whose main objective is simply to gain attention at someone else's expense. In reality, you seem to not even care what my answers are. So I am done jumping thru hoops to please you. Again, respond to my original post in an intelligent and respectful manner or I will no longer participate in any discussion with you what so ever. My post, my rules.
Thumb So if people ask you questions or asks you to explain your ideas and you are unable or unwilling to answer you brand them autistic, I think that is rather judgemental, blinked and on the whole more about trying to smearing your questioners. I think it unhealthy, unproductive and possibly dangerous to remove from your life anyone that questions your ideas or asks you to explain or defend them. People really need to have people around them that question their ideas and views - it is not good just to be surround by ‘yesmen’ even if it makes your life sweet. Its productive to be asked to explain your ideas it’s a way of thinking them through and it’s important to see if your can defend your ideas from critics otherwise how do you know if they can stand up to scrutiny? My old friend Rat has not posted in this thread so I’m unsure which statements you are referring to? It not for entertainment but that doesn’t mean it can’t be entertaining. I really am trying to work out what your views are its very hard when you seem so unwilling to explain them. Thing is how do you know if your ideas are any good or stand up to scrutiny if you never allow them to be questioned and seem unable to even explain them? You have posted in a public forum and anyone can reply to what you say (within the guidelines) it is not up to you do dictate terms, you can ignore questions, dodge explanation and evade criticisms and that is up to you but the questions, the holes and the criticism will still remain.
Thumb Oh if you want to that is ok with me. You seem to be saying you want people to stop talking politics and start “DOING” politics. Asked what you do (and presumably what you’d want others to do) you replied that you “Organize, get in the public eye, live alternatively, advise, use the arts” And I’ve asked you - In what way are you active and who or what for? You say you organise what do you organise? You say you get in the public eye what do you do there that pushes you political ideas? What do you mean by living alternatively? And you say you advise but what is it that you advise? Without knowing what your ideas are we will not know if what you propose to do would make things better or make them a worse.
Well, I have slept on this whole thing. Not just this politics forum, but the whole hipforums. I've posted in quite a few categories to see what kind of response I would get. Simply put I am BORED. I never get bored. But this place is boring. I may as well go hang around the police station or something. Too many rude people. Too many unenlightened people. I don't really need to run my ideas by any one. I am totally secure and sure of my thoughts. I'm also on Facebook and have a beautiful setup there of many like minded and polite and pleasant souls who can discuss ideas because they all understand them. This whole hipforums thing was an experiment. It's not like I haven't been here before, but that was years ago. But I certainly have outgrown it! It's really no different than the comments section of news articles which seem to always degrade into bitch fests. I've posted in the music forum - music recorded in our studio with a famous guitarist from Spain who is endorsed by Carlos Santana. No appreciation, nothing. Only one comment, and they didn't like it.... Posted in the mental health forum - having studied psychology for 20 years, no response. The marijuana forum, same thing....... Too many rude people, too many kids. No appreciation, not much intelligence. The best way stop negative energies in this world is to walk away from them. If you wish to stay stuck in it you can. But in my world this place is like a pimple on a dirty ass. I am an empath and it actually makes me physically ill. Call me crazy if you like. It doesn't matter to me. I'm out, and what a relief!!!!! Have a nice life. Oh, by the way, Balbus, I used to be Earthmother. Remember me? Banned for life. Oh, don't worry about banning me again, I won't be back. This place is phoney as a 3 dollar bill. Oh but one more thing Balbus, If you recall a long time ago I said I was going to write a song about you. Here it is. https://soundcloud.com/steve-buvoltz/gasoline
Thumb earthmother isn’t banned - it seems to be a live account. Although I checked and yes the account is supposed to be permanently banned. I'd also add the ban was not put on by me.
thumb You mean people that ask you questions and people that ask you to explain things. How do you know if your ideas are any good if you never question them and never let anyone else question them? I didn’t ban you before and I wasn’t planning to do this time.
