Thoughts on the Abortion of human babies

I looked at the site linked, and poked around some of the other links.
Me-thinks maybe they "massage" the numbers a little to further their agenda....just like any other group.

and WTF is with a counter titled "black babies in the U.S. since '73"
every other counter has a description and source listed/linked but that one.

WTF

Plus let's please keep in mind those "counters" are merely guesstimations based on earlier stats, so not actually "real time" counters and of dubious reliability.




contrary to popular belief, I usually have looked into a topic before I open my obnoxious mouth.

 

i think the numbers and percentages given in the op, are a tiny fraction of the amount human population increase needs to be reduced by if humanity as a species is to survive.

 

The human species will not survive. Such is the nature of the universe.
It might survive longer or shorter perhaps depending on the decisions we make as a whole.

 

The end is nigh.

 

This could be cool, especially if photos were posted.

 

I know... all that stuff just scares me though. Just like last pregnancy, I breathe a sigh of relief when the 12 week mark is passed (which has just passed) and then...another sigh of relief after a healthy, live, delivery....and another sigh of relief at age 3 months...and yet another, final (kinda) one at one year....

 

That.

And that.

I'm not easily offended or annoyed.

 

Birth is a biological process, and abortion is a way of preventing that biological process of coming to fruition with offspring. I agree that life is a miracle, but it is a miracle with tremendous life shaking consequences, which perhaps shouldn't be decided on a drunken prom night.

Overpopulation is another concern, and by overpopulation, I do mean not enough food and resource for society as a whole. If you ask most who are pro-life' if they think there should be free public healthcare, education, and meals for children so there would be less abortion, you would hear a different response. It's much easier to be pro-life without having to deal with the consequences of caring for a child.

But this issue isn't an issue of substance, one that produces logical discussions on the well-being of children and mothers. It's an issue that's framed in public discourse as a piece of meat for people to fight over. I don't think I've read or heard an original thought on the issue in 10 years.

 

I actually do count my age from the point of conception (and my kids', too). Life begins at conception which isn't an opinion .. it is basic scientific fact. What a woman does during the first days and weeks of pregnancy can and does effect that new life.

 

Abortion is a topic on which everyone has an opinion, yet a very small fraction have ever been faced with the reality of it personally. Everyone comments, everyone is richeous, "It's murder," or, "I'm all for free choice but I wouldn't do it." and it's all self flandering bullshit. How many of us are against murder of a human? Now how many say, have been the recipient of abuse in a situation where you seriously thought of murdering the abuser to end it? How many of us might actually do it? How many are all for monogamy? And yet how many have "accidently" had one night stands? Reality, and idealistic musings are oceans apart.

I was one half a relationship in which we chose to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. We were not necessarily poor, we were not strangers, we were not unhealthy or unable to carry. We were in love, had a good life, and a great, well established relationship. Our decision was based largely on self preservation, and the desire to not bring a child into a situation we deemed unfavorable for reasons that were and shall remain our own.

It was not an easy decision by any means, it was not a popular decision, it was not an uninvasive decision, and it was not without humiliation and lack of any moral support. But it was our decision, it was the right decision, and it was a decision neither of us ever once regretted nor were haunted by since. It was common sense. Bring a child into an accidental situation and try to make the best of it by pretending everything is okay, sacrificing two lives in the process, or make a somewhat difficult decision to do better by ourselves.


Morality is man made. It is not god given, universal, nor victim to nature. We choose what is morally right and wrong as depicted by every choice in our lives; sexual behaviour, religious behaviour, social behaviour, etc. It is easy for one to judge when they've never been exposed to the tug-o-war of certain moral situations... I.E. 'I really like this guy, should I fuck him even though I know it'll never amount to anything more?", or "I don't want to throw my life away so young, should we choose to terminate." Some of us say things like "slut" or "murderer" without having ever faced the decision ourselves. That is the definition of ignorance.

So whether for or against, it's all a moral put on until faced with the decision yourself.

One more point; The argument of what constitutes life and what life is deemed more precious than other life is constantly (and tiredly) debated among the morally gluttonous. The idea that all life is precious, don't step on that bug, I'm a vegetarian because eating meat is immoral (plants are not only concious, they communicate with and react to the world around them as every bit as an animal does), is an ideal invented by the morally gluttonous in order to distinguish themselves from others. Life is life. A human life is of no more value to the universe than that mold growing on your bread in the kitchen.

 

I truly value your willingness to share.

My life story is very, very different from yours.

To be rude, crude and mean about it .. I have three unaborted fetuses walking this planet. They are my son and two daughters.

My pregnancies AND my motherhood were judged and damned. From the moment anybody found out those babies were in my womb, people tried to rip them out of me. When they failed to rip my babies out of my womb, they tried to rip them out of my arms. "Have an abortion". "Put the baby up for adoption". My children were NOT welcome to be born. And I was NOT welcome to be their mother.

There's this WRONG idea that human beings are to be *perfect* in every way. The right house, right job, right bank account, right SPOUSE. And if any of that is lacking, well ... just flush that baby down the garbage disposal.

I have very serious hatred against that sort of mentality.

Infanticide is perfected. It's called abortion.

One of my daughters was born on Holy Innocent's Day (also called Childermas). It's about Herod (who does not deserve to be called "king" by me) and how he had a bunch of kids slaughtered. Humanity is STILL slaughtering infants. There's a reason why my daughter was born on that day and why I was born on Candlemas (called The Presentation of Christ).

I conceived for a fourth time in my life. I could not have the child. Because abortion was NOTHING to be considered by me, I did the only thing I could...

I prayed.

And I miscarried.

My point is .. considering your reasons for abortion .. I want to know what people would think and believe if they faced my three kids. The three people who used to be "pregnancies", that were never unwanted by me .. but were unwanted and unwelcome by the people of this world.

I just really want to know what a pro-abortion world thinks of my precious unaborted fetuses.

I didn't "throw my life away" by giving birth to my son, or my daughters. They ARE my life. I was 14 years old and in the 8th grade when I conceived my son. I turned 15 one month before I gave birth to him.

My son is 23 years old today and he's a really, really good person. My daughters are 19 and my baby is a few weeks away from turning 17. They're AWESOME people.

People insult me by saying, "well, you must have done something right" .. as if it was a fucking fluke. They make me spitting, furious angry.

The *worst* part of my pregnancies and motherhood is the way people felt free to be hateful, judgmental, abusive, destructive and god-damned WRONG in their attitudes, opinions and treatment of me.

I've never had an abortion but I do have an abortion knife stuck in my gut like you can't fucking believe and NOBODY can ever pry it loose.

Obviously, a very personal and serious matter. I have super strong opinions about abortion. I think abortion is way more wrong than a virgin 14 year old girl getting pregnant to begin with.

 

Thanks.

Doesn't seem like more needs to be said on this topic.

 

taken in order

a fetus is a parasite continually taking from the womon who supports it. It is not suggested by society to force people to organ donate or even donate blood, yet many in society have no problem forcing a womon to carry another life form even to her serious detriment. Most people designating themselves "pro-life" are actually pro-fetus. They dump any consideration of caring about anyone after delivery thus proving it is all about controlling my life/body and not about "life". For the most part they are even pro death penalty further confirming this.

I have entirely monogamous my entire life, never cheated or even considered it, though I have been cheated upon by a partner.

one does not "accidentally" cheat, I don't care how drunk you are or even if the problem is you just are too horny, anyone who cannot control themself is doing wrong.

Your life, your choice - not one I would have made (even though the fact of me allowing you do do something I would not makes you think I am a bad person)

censorship much?, I am allowed to have my opinion even if it bothers you

don't care, animals have the same nervous system I do and react different than plants. They can for the most part form family/clan/etc groups and connections, this differentiates them.

infanticide is killing a baby (a person who is breathing and living, someone who is HERE)

your kids your life, I stay out of other peoples lives - unlike those who CALL themselves "pro-life"

sophistry - I have never in my life met anyone who was "pro-abortion" - to be pro-choice is to say "your life/body/choices are not mine to control"

and again - your kids, your responsibility. As long as they are not screaming in a restaurant or movie I am in I don't care.

 

Most of us don't think anything about them at all. They are your kids, not ours.

Humans are the only animals who ever choose to be vegetarians for anything other than practical reasons. Weird. Organizations like PETA have no problem with animals in the forest eating each other, because that's "natural".

 

Insects can have central nervous systems and form clans. Insects and plants form clans. We're conditioned to believe animals are superior beings just like us because they have similar eyes, sounds, they lick their young and they hang out in packs.

Plants not only feel pain, they can move away from a source of pain, and they make sound frequencies when wounded. They are comprised of cells, just like us. As are insects. And in fact many plants will drop their seeds right at their own 'feet' in order for their offspring to seed right next to them. I.E. Invasive plants. Thus forming large clans.

Other plants rely on wind, weather, insects, animals, and water to lift the pollen and seeds off of them an carry them a distance before dropping them. They are spreading their seed. Why, to further their species obviously. But another reason is that many many species of plants literally do not want their offspring growing right at their feet. They don't want to share their food (minerals in the soil) and water supply with their own offspring. Many plants will stifle and strangle to death their offspring if they grow to close as a means of survival for themselves and not their offspring.

Insects and plants are not different than us or animals. They are very much alive and sensitive. We're simply conditioned to think they're not because they communicate differently and in a way that we can't register with our own senses. Both form clans. Both abandon and kill their young for survival.

 

Well, duh .. it obviously hinges upon the people who believed I should have had abortions. Not only believed, but actually tried to encourage me .. and some even tried coercion. Those are the people I'm addressing. Just how, exactly, do they face people who weren't aborted? I'm not sure why you'd respond.. unless you're the sort of person I'm talking about.

The abortion pill makes it too easy to pressure females into aborting their pregnancies. It makes me sick.

 

I stand by what I said but I'll rephrase: abortion is perfected infanticide.

I don't know why you'd respond, then. There were plenty people who gave me unholy Hell .. including strangers.

It's pro-abortion in my eyes, since the choice being made is abortion.

As long as somebody's children aren't screaming.. what? Why would you even say something like that?

 

9 pages of comments, then I make one and it doesn't need to be discussed any more?

Hmm... Perhaps it was the content of my comment...

 

I doubt if they are reading this.

Umm... because you posted on an internet forum? :toetap05:

I think you put enough thought into your posts here that few people are going to have anything to say to them, for or against.

 

I don't doubt that many people who are pro-abortion are reading along .. the sort of people who think certain people, like me, should have abortions. THOSE are the people I'm talking about. And I want to know what those sort of people would think and believe if they faced a human being that *they* thought should have been aborted. Get the point?

If that isn't you, why would you bother to respond? I'm obviously not talking to or about you. Why respond if you're going to ignore or misunderstand my point?