Life and Death

Sera, it was a theorhetical question with a number of possible answers. Your hate for Christians is obvious. I could turn it around an say you are a bigot because you did not value the Christian woman, but I will not do that. I did not say the Muslim boy did not deserve to live. I said he could turn out to be a sucide bomber. And that should not be ruled out. Hundreds of moslems are blowing themselves up killing many people these days. I don't know of one Christian who is calling on the name of Jesus and strapping bombs to themselves and blowing people up. Where as I see hundredes of Moslems doing this. Timothy McVey, Hitler, the KKK, and the Crusaders, were all murders, and Jesus states that murders do not enter heaven. Sera, Please stop with the slander of Christians.

 

My family is christian, the girls I work with are christian, some of my closest friends are christian, I do not hate christians. I hate bigots.

A muslim has no more chance of becoming a suicide bomber than you do of burning crosses in black people's yards. And it isn't healthy for our society to nurture the idea that all, most, many, or some muslims will be suicide bombers or killers. The religious fanatics of any religion are not the best examples of followers of the belief. You should agree with that considering what fanatics have done in the name of your own religion.

 

I don't think a killer should be killed. But the post said someone had to die so I went with the woman knowing she was a Christian. Which means she may be able to give something positive to the world. The moslem my not be of the same mind set. And know how many Moslems are now blowing themselves up it left a question in my mind.

 

Maybe this is because of the options they perceive as being offered to them. After all, the area that the suicide bombers come from suffers from rampant oppression, and the offer of a better life if you die for the cause is the best one they have. Live a miserable, poor, oppressed existence, or die inflicting pain upon your 'enemy' and go to a better life (not to mention have 25k$ given to your family)?

It's not Islam, it's the whole psychology of oppression in the bigger scheme of things. These people do not see a better way out, and this is why they act as they do. End the perception of oppression and you remove suicide bombing as a logical means of fighting off the 'oppression'.

 

What makes you a bigot is thinking that a muslim boy doesn't deserve to live simply because some other muslim blew up a car.
A muslim has no more chance of becoming a suicide bomber than you do of burning crosses in black people's yards. And it isn't healthy for our society to nurture the idea that all, most, many, or some muslims will be suicide bombers or killers.
I do not hate christians. I hate bigots.
Originally Posted by Sera Michele


you go girl
I so very much support your points, which I find to be very well put.
I love how you worded those, it is clear that you 'unlike others', read my post right.
And what the others read........... I have no clue.

 

i believe in the summerlands then reincarnation as anything (plant, animal, insect, human)

 

Just cuz I find you to be a bigot, Campbell, does not mean I hate you. I hate bigotry, prejudice, racism, and superiority complexes. I am sure I could find more. I hate them with a deeply burning passion.
But not the people who have somehow or other been suckered into accepting such destructive concepts.

 

Well I can tell you don't watch the news much. Who do you think are the one's blowing themselves up in the middle east. In the moslems schools in Israel they teach the children to sing songs about the glorys of being a suicide bomber. This was aired on 60 minutes. You hear about it every day in Israel and Iraq. There are many who have this mind set. Why do you think 10s of thousands of people in the middle east have died from suicide bombers? You think because there are only a few, you better think again. And now they are talking about coming to America an doing this. In a recent news release the moslems have said it's time for Americans to feel the pain. It is there religion that teaches that the unbelievers should die, and even the people of the book (Jews) if they do not follow Allah. When 911 happened moslems all over the world were dancing in the streets, even in Indonesia. Yes, some will become bombers some will not, but who is to say. Im sure the thousands of Americans who died when the towers fell and are planes went down, were not sure either. Americans are only waiting for the next few moslems to slip by again. It's of little comfort we only have to deal with a few. It't was only a few that killed almost 3,000 Americans. So when I say I would go with the Christian woman I was 100% sure she would not harm anyone. I have Christian friends in Nigeria, if the moslems don't like what the Christians teach there they murder the Christians and burnd down their churches. My friends have been spared so far. You do not find this in the Christian world, the moslem world you do, and it is happening all over the world. My friends related a story to me how the moslems were amazed that their medical post was still up because they though they had burned all of them down. Some of the moslems had gotten injured burning down Christian hospitals but came in for treatment the next morning because they did not burn theirs down. Because you are a little hesitant because of the moslems track record, does not make one a bigot.

 

"You do not find this in the Christian world"

Please, you find this crap all over the religious world. The christians went through their period of terrorism as well. But your right, they didn't strap bombs to thier chest. They generally liked to torture their captives before killing them. You were either christian or you were a heretic and were tortured and killed. Priests and clergy of the church ordering torture and death to anyone they chose. And guess one group they focused on. The Muslims.

So in that regard I would have to say I fear people like you more than a muslim boy who is about to drown. People that are in complete denial of their own hypocrisy. People that will continue to pass on their intolerance generation to generation.

But in reality I fear no one simply because of their religion or where they were born and believe that both have just as much right to life, and respect for that life, as anyone else on this planet.

And bigots usually don't realize that they are bigots. I never expected you to agree with me.

 

not to mention christians torturing and murdering other christians of the same nation for being a different denomination. christian history is very very nasty, and campbell, you are a bigot, pure and simple.

 

Well, its unanimous, a bigot for sure, and oblivious to the obvious biases.

campbell, let me ask you this? Do you think you are more worthy of entering heaven than the number one, most devout, selfless Muslim on earth?

 

The reason we well never agree Sera, is because I will not support your misrepresentations, or your persistent characture assassinations. You talk out of both sides of your mouth which is evident when you describe Christians. In one of your post you say what fanatics have done in the name of my religion, then in another post you claim these fanatics really were christians who enjoyed killing people. If you have ever gone to a costume party and saw someone dressed up like a lion, do you really believe that person is a lion? I have to ask you this question because you never fail to point to people who in the passed dressed up as christians, yet their actions betrayed them to be something other than a christian. This arguement was based on a theoretical question which you have turned into a personal attack on me. Others felt it was ok for the christian woman to die, yet we don't see you attacking them do we. Doesen't the christian woman deserve to live Sera? Because you have not rushed to the christian woman's defense, does that make you a bigot, or does it just expose your hypocrisy?
And what about the United Nations, and Amnesty International. They are condemining the moslem Palestian Authority because of their political, governmental, military, and religious organizations support for the indoctrination and training of children to become future suicide/homicide bombers. What an outrage, how dare the U.N. say such a thing, they must all be bigots right Sera.

 

The bible states that are best works before God are but filthy rags. No one gets into Gods kingdom by their works. None of us deserve to go to heaven. God gave us His Son as a gift, if you receive Him, you receive God's invitation. The selfless Muslim may have more filthy rags than I do, but without that invitation, no one gets in.

 

Most discussions of this type involve broad sweeping generalizations regarding a variety of related subject notions.

This is par and necessary for such discussions, but owing to this fact, it is usually wise to limit such discussions to at least a very narrow set of circumstances and 'objective' events; unfortunately not usually possible with religion, politics, and similar categories.

Without such narrowing of the discussion, the validity and overall certainty of nearly the entire hierarchy of suppositions is asymptotically low....in effect making the discussion meaningless.

Only very narrow mathematical and abstract relations can be analyzed with any degree of certainty....and even these have difficulty.

Bob

 

Why doesn't everyone just admit that history itself is very, very nasty (and beautiful, just like a high class ho)? People look for faults in the groups that they do not think they are a part of and ignore the faults of those within their immediate circle. If you don't try to avoid guilt by association and admit that humanity as a whole is pretty fucked up (and wonderful) you can truly admit what you are.

Don't say "Xians did this" or "Moslems did that", just say that humanity did these acts of atrocity against itself, without trying to keep the war going by blaming people of certain cultural backgrounds.

Ethnic profiling causes more harm than it will ever prevent. Besides which, if you really had faith in God you would let God take care of things without causing unnecessary pain (which ethnic profiling brings about).

 

Yeah, I'm thinking this means that God can invite people on God's own without christians (or any group) screwing everything up. I don't go to church, but God hooks me up. You don't need to join a group for God to be with you.

 

FIrst off, muslims do accept jesus. THey may not see him as the son of god, but he is one of their most important prophets. Do you really think that your god would refuse a muslim that has followed all of the lessons tought by jesus, just because they didnt think that he was the son of god?

Second, you suggest that only muslims are killing at this moment. Sure, theyre the only ones strapping bombs to themselves to kill, but thats just because they dont have the money to drop bombs from the sky. Someone said that theyd save the christian because the muslim might end up being a suicide bomber. Well, isnt it possible that the christian joins an army, and begins fighting in iraq. Whats the difference if their equipped with a gun or a bomb, if they are still intent on killing.

 

Your right you do not need a church or a group to make it to heaven. But Jesus states that a man must be born again if he is to enter God's kingdom. You don't need a group or church, but everyone needs Jesus Christ. It was Jesus who said in John 14:6, " I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

 

Christians do not murder people, and I know there are many who call themselves Christians yet only God really know's their hearts. Back in 1969 I was going to join the navy. I was a christian but felt I would join and then take up my relationship with Christ after I got in. This way I could avoid any second thoughts about my moral choice. I would just tell God hear I am lets take it from here. Well I went down town and passed my medical and was sure the navy was going to be a big part of my future. Well as it turned out, just few hours after I got home, I accidently got caught on a 7,400 volt eletrical line. I was in the hospital for 7 weeks and after I got out I could barley walk. If you really know God and you try to work around Him, He has a unique way of getting your attention.

 

so then you must admit that Muslims don't murder either? fair is fair