VA Hospitals: No Longer The Best Example Of Socialized Medicine?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Motion, May 25, 2014.

  1. odonII

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    If the government did not care, why have the VA in the first place? Guilt?
    Obviously something has gone wrong and people are rightly upset.
    But look at the time article I stumbled upon.

    'The high-profile investigation into wait-times at VA facilities masks the good job most of its 230,000 daily visitors believes the agency is doing'

    That's a hell of a lot of people that don't all seem to have the same bad experience.

    The AGENCY is doing.

    Scratch', we are talking about if or if not if it is being funded adequately.

    It has been said funding has gone up.
    But go back, you will be able to read the posts yourself.

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...act-check-obama-va-funding-increases/9464699/





    What you were saying was seemingly ideological rather than factual.
     
  2. eggsprog

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    Just because funding has gone up, does not mean that it has been funded adequately.

    Has the per capital funding risen, or the total funding?
     
  3. odonII

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  4. newbie-one

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    I'm a bit skeptical of your source, as they seem to have an axe to grind.

    The spending per patient should also be judged by the medical need of and costs for each patient.

    It's also relevant to consider to what degree congressional earmarks effected VA funding.

    If (for example) the VA's budget is 60 billion, and 30 billion of that budget is earmarked for contracts to congressional campaign contributors, it would not be surprising if less care was available despite technically having a budget big enough to meet needs.

    I'm not going to hop on either a bash-the-VA or don't-bash-the-VA bandwagon unless I know more about what's going on.
     
  5. scratcho

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    You have a point about my statement being ideological. Maybe ideologically factual? But as usual when people, money and/or 'browny 'points' are involved---things seem to go awry.
     
  6. scratcho

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    Bottom line to me, is that there should be EXCELLENT, timely care for vets and there should be no homeless vets. Whatever it takes to get that done.
     
  7. odonII

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    What do you mean?

    I'm sticking with you original statement being ideological bollocks.

    BTW, you was talking about the hard working doctors and workers working in the hospitals.
    Who do you think was supposedly fudging the paperwork, and how come the majority of the hospitals don't seem to have as many or the issues some have?
    To me it is how certain hospitals are being run/managed.
    And who does that?
     
  8. odonII

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    True. But just because we don't live in a hallmark TV movie...does not mean the head does not care about the body.
     
  9. odonII

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    It isn't the best source on the Internet.
    I was on my phablet at the time, and it's difficult to do detail.
    Just search for: VA Spending Per Patient
    Then pick a source you trust.

    The question was: Has the per capita funding risen, or the total funding?

    As far as I can tell, both have.

    Everything will be based on: http://www.va.gov/vetdata/Expenditures.asp

    So, perhaps go through that and see what you think.

    Crikey, I'm not going to look up that minefield.
    However, i did read this: The Obama administration’s Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) expects to have more money for medical care than it can spend for the fifth fiscal year in a row.

    I'm still looking into the detail, to be honest.
    The main point I responded to was (in a nutshell): 'They' don't give a shit about the veterans.
    And I'm saying: That is bollocks.
    I don't think - aside from empty rhetoric - I have been shown to be wrong yet.
     
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