I caught three pedophiles in five minutes. And I can't do shit!!!!

"Good work, Nancy Drew!" - Jerry Seinfeld.

 

Look any guy that wants to pay underage girls to strip for him is doing something wrong... on many levels. Of course they shouldn't be sent straight to jail, a fair hearing is always deserved but i can understand FinnishB's frustration at not being able to do anything at all. You can pretend that their innocent and she's trying to trick them but your obviously fooling yourself if you've actually read her posts!

Look your talking shit, it isn't entrapment to entice someone to do something illegal, police do it all the time pretending to be prostitutes for example. Which is another point how can it be entrapment if she isn't even a law enforcement officer? Next point, if she was 12 would that change anything? no either way their looking for little girls.

Finally entrapment is when a law enforcement officer forces some ones hand so they do something illegal. E.g. if you hit some one with your car and a police officer declares you will go to jail for obstruction if you don't leave you can't be charged for leaving the scene of an accident.

Or simpler, if a cop puts a gun to your moms head and tells you to sell drugs or she gets blown away... thats entrapment.

Anything else is tricking fools into slipping.

 

from wikipedia:
Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent in inducing a person to commit an offence which the person would not have, or was unlikely to have, otherwise committed.

this thread is stupid. let the police do policework. if you suspect something is amiss, let them know. but prowling the internet in search of pedophiles who might want to chat to an underage girl borders on ridiculous. it serves no purpose.

like many people have said, instead of trying to play vigilante just chill out and make sure your own kids are smart enough to avoid being the victim of a sexual predator they met online. let the cops do their job and focus your energy on something else.

 

I doubt you were being serious, but this is NOT going to happen
Sex between adults is so completely different

Paedophilia will always be an illness and homosexuality never was

Thats not closed-mindedness, its sanity. If paedophiles are accepted and treated as equally sane as us in 50 years, and children are legally being molested in Europe and America, i will kill myself

 

I don't think he was joking. I see his 'logic' in saying that if we accept sexual urges as natural and not nurtured then...

I don't however think it will be legal in 50 years and I certainly don't hope so.

 

that's hypocritical and nonsensical. homosexuality is a natural sexual urge, and I dare say pedophilia is as well. the difference between the two is that in most cases it is morally questionable for a pedophile to act on his urges (I say most cases because I'm sure there are situations in which a pedophile could have his urges fulfilled without violating any laws)

in a society where we've pretty much accepted homosexuality as natural, we've set the bar for accepting that people have different sexualities. people with all kinds of orientations and fetishes are accepted, pedophiles are stigmatized obviously because of their futile orientation, to which they can not give in without breaking laws and ruining lives. it would only be sensible that within the next fifty years pedophiles can be treated "as equally sane as us" and the scientists working with them might be able to find some way for them to get an outlet for their wants without harming anyone.

and no one ever suggested children be legally molested. that's silly.

please note that I in no way agree or sympathize with pedophiles who abuse or molest children. I think it's sickening and terrible. but I don't know if people are necessarily evil because of their sexual orientation, no matter how warped it might be from our perspective.

 

I was going to post, but Jimmy put it so eloquently that I do not need to. I agree with you 100%.

 

actually, until about 30 years ago, homosexuality was considered a mental illness in the united states.

In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

who is to say that being attracted to pre-pubescent individuals isn't just another sexual orientation, which hasn't been accepted yet, much the way homosexuality wasn't for many years.

i'm not saying that i support the molestation or abuse of minors. but, as obviously the OP looks like she's 12, there's nothing wrong with a pedophiliac choosing to be in relationships with women or men who look very young. nor did the people in the situation FinnishB wrote about do anything wrong, because FinnishB is not 12. that is my main point.

as someone else already said... this thread is dumb. because we're all arguing different sides to the same idea... which is that we don't like to see kids get hurt and abused. we just differ in our ideas as to how to prevent that.

 

There are many pedophiles that never harm anyone. Just because you're a pedophile, doesn't mean you're going to go out and molest young girls/boys.

Actually, it's a fact that most girls that are molested are molested by non-pedophiles.

Non-criminal pedophiles, which is the majority, simply visit forums where they post pictures of teen models and lolicon pornography.

Seems like a safe way to fulfill urges to me.

 

Yeah but one of them was actually looking for 9 to 12 yearolds to strip for money, how is that not abuse? it was just lucky that it was FinnishB and not actually a young girl.

I understand what your saying, that just because some one has feelings like that doesn't make them evil. I understand that you agree when they act on those feelings and abuse children that it is wrong. I disagree that these guys weren't doing anything wrong, to me looking for girls that age to strip on cam is abuse, it's attempting to produce child porn and is and should be an offense.

 

Hey, nakedtreehugger, if you met a guy trying to rape his seven year old daughter, would you not want them to go to jail?

 

i guess i just dont understand why youd expose yourself to such creeps willingly, while knowing youre unable to acutally do anything about them

 

Its not against the law to chat with kids online. Even sexually so. You can't really report anyone because no crime has been committed.

Its only when you start to set up a meeting or whatever that things change. When it goes from talk to action is when the law gets involved.



x

 

Yep, thats pretty much how it goes. You can say damn near anything you want on the internet to someone who says they are 12 years old. Just so long as you dont demand nude photos from them, or send nude photos of yourself to them(actually you probably wouldnt want to send photos at all) or send any links to child porn, or give out any name adresses or phone # your in the clear!
=O Kinda a strange thought. But yea, if you sit there and talk anonymously saying things like "I wanna do x and x and x to you tomorrow!" but never set up a date your basically going to be just written off as a troll. Or that your just "fantasy role playing". I hear some guys caught in the to catch a predator stings tried to use "fantasizing" as a defense. But it didnt work because they actually set up a place to meet using real addresses and numbers and had their actual photos sent to the perverted justice group. And yea if I were a judge or lawyer im pretty sure you would have a tough time convincing me that you were just fantasizing when you used information such as a phone number or an address.

 

In the case of catching someone molesting children, entrapment would be more like someone who is 21 but looks 14 and goes up and knocks on some guys door acting like a kid, saying their 14 and then saying she will do all kinds of sexual things for $$$. So if the guy takes this girl into his home gives her money, starts taking his pants off and then the girl pulls out a gun and a badge this is entrapment. Or at least, it is as far as I know.. So Im thinking this guy would probably not have any legal consequences? Or would he? I doubt it would be anywhere near what the guys on to catch a predator have for legal consequences.
The people on to catch a predator plan it out well. They make certain that they avoid entrapping them. They work with police, they dont just start talking to some guy on the net posing as a child. Its NOT that simple. Being a vigilante can get you into trouble, especially if your "victim" sends you child pornography or something. This is why they work DIRECTLY with law enforcement.
They do NOT sell themselves or try to egg them on to do anything. They make absolutely sure that the pedo comes to THEIR door. In that case it is NOT entrapment.

 

what in the world were you searching for to drag this old thread up?

 

The thread may be 6 years old but the problem sadly persists

BOSTON —June 9, 2014 Homeland Security and ICE are asking for the public's help in identifying a suspected child pornography distributor.

Investigators said the man helped facilitate one of the largest underground networks law enforcement has ever seen.

John Doe, whose real first name may be Shaun, is an adult male between 40 and 50 years old, investigators said.

The man is believed to be living within a 100-mile radius of the New Haven, Connecticut area.

Investigators said they think he works in construction management and travels out of town regularly. They also believe he has degrees in electrical engineering and construction management and is proficient with computer programming.

The man may also have a family member living in Hamburg, Germany, who he intended to visit in late spring of this year.


Hotwater