If You Were GOD? - Hands on or Hands off?

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  1. thedope

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    Yes.
    This space is ample.




    No what?



    You mean fated? I might feint.

    Actually there is a latitudinal and longitudinal relationship that means that one mans dawn is another's depending on locale.



    So what occurs is not always it's appearance.




    This one necessarily is.

    Based on a particular definition of god, yes.

    Pro-motion specialist. God is that which we invoke.

    Sounds like the dance is on crouton.
     
  2. Sleeping Caterpillar

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    In the grand scheme of things, the fact that people's awareness can be concentrated on the death of an old rich man dying in peace versus an impoverished child, is quite obscure. But I would like to argue, it isn't just about wealth, yes wealth usually does fall into the equation, but I feel it's not necessarily correlated. I feel this has more to do with fame and familiarity with an individual rather than their finical status.

    could you elaborate on this a bit more? I would like to know more of what you meant by this

    You may have fun taking a look at this
    http://languagerichblog.eu/2012/02/21/languages-with-no-future-better-off-for-future/

    Well the hard thing about this topic, if there was no death, would that entail no hunger? no pain? and so forth?
    So let’s take this from a route of there is no “time limit” so to speak. you can die, but not from old age.

    In such a long lifetime, you’d be accustom to new ideas coming and evolving that would likely make people more conservative in their thinking. I can say for sure that a lot of my own decisions are based off the premise that I only live once and life is short. So I feel the need to experiment is much less threatening.

    But this topic went a bit more hypothetical than I wanted. so I would love to here some of your thoughts about other ideas we brought up
     
  3. Dejavu

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    So, light is physical.

    Yet you think you're not your body.

    No to your assertion that "the mind transcends the appearance of the physical in the images of the minds eye." If you like, I can just call you a liar, it's much simpler that way! :-D I'm not going to track for us unless I feel like it.

    lol What do you mean 'might'? :-D No, I don't mean fated. We don't die from birth.

    In any event, one mans dawn is nevertheless his own.


    No, it always is. What may occur to you is not all that appears.

    No, not even that one.

    No, since not everyone holds the same one.

    That which some invoke. You cannot get it straight, despite having made three babies!
    :-D How old were they when you pushed god on them?

    Not with you. This is your speech therapy session, remember? :-D
     
  4. thedope

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    Much extraordinary end of life care is beyond the financial means of many and in the case of organ transplant you must have some prognosis of recovery to be eligible. We have great systems for emergency care but have not learned to be free with our care on a standing basis. Fame is political capital and familiarity represents security. I don't think my observation is a obscure just not frequently questioned or considered. The popular focus is that saving lives is the essential preeminent good act while living abundantly seems to be up for competition.

    Fear is only and ever fear of the truth being a fear of potentially unpleasant consequences. Consequences consequently unravel the foundation of fear as you are not afraid of what has gone by. You find in retrospect that you had overreacted and often times what you thought was reason to fear becomes a funny story you tell your kids. Fear always involves some sort of speculation unless you are in the throws of an eminent and legitimate fight or flight situation which in truth rarely happens in most peoples lives. Taking out or discerning unknown variables gives a sense of security. One of my own premiere indicators is that anxiety in myself is caused by the misapprehension of what is so and patience and open minded consideration brings consistent relief as reality supports it's constituents and it cannot be out of order. Anxiety means, trying establish secure connections with out knowing what may or may not be secure. Trying to find in yourself an answer that you do not currently possess and it is unreasonable in that instance to expect yourself to provide it. The recognition that you don't know what is going on is the first step to easing the mind
    I have a hard time reading in blue as it is too close to black in contrast but I think I get the jest and it corresponds to an earlier statement I made,
    The idea that death has power to end life is a cultured sense.
    Embodied at a fundamental level it is an overarching concern which informs our reasonable responses. We cannot escape the effects of our own thinking and our actions legitimacy can always be traced back to some sponsoring conception.
    Eventual death is an effect of metabolism. Metabolism keeps us in a temperate zone by burning things to produce heat. It is a sacrificial fire and if you run it too hot rhabdomyolysis is a medical condition that results from direct muscle injury or an altered metabolic relationship between energy production and energy consumption in muscle. Causes include drug toxicity, heat stress, muscle trauma and physical exertion.

    Exertional, or exercise-induced, rhabdomyolysis (ER) is a rare but sometimes catastrophic condition in which muscle fibers break down in response to exertion and release their breakdown products into the circulation.

    We die from the pollutants of metabolic combustion that is of course baring catastrophic accident. An overt example being our dependence on the use of fire as work energy and consequential global warming. The storms in the atmosphere reflect the storms in our consciousness. I don't know if I mentioned it in this thread or not but it is opportune to reiterate that a machine is a tool containing one or more parts that uses energy to perform an intended action. This is the exact description of the human body. We design machines to be durable but they have an eventual stress limit or experience fatigue failure. That is our tolerance for pain is great but not infinite.
    I don't get the connection to conservative thinking. Length of days is not the measure of being. There is a way of apprehending things that makes things apparent so there is little guess work and more room for creative imagination.
    When you have heard the punch line to a joke you recognize the joke hearing it again and know sequentially what is coming.
    I enjoy talking to you.
     
  5. thedope

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    Yeah but it's light, not as heavy as you are so ponderously hardened.

    My body is a biological machine that I use.



    I said in the minds eye.



    That depends on purpose.


    We don't die if we are not born.

    Dawning is the day.




    Apparently



    So none at all.







    The phrase is we invoke. Everyone's invocation is god to them. An authority that cannot be denied. I taught them that the answer to any perplexing dilemma is I am perplexed. Never discussed god but the power of their own invocation.



    You move from body to artist to speech therapist like a whirly gig jig.
     
  6. Sleeping Caterpillar

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    I believe the NHS (England’s National Health Service) is about the closet humans have come to this, and I’m sad to hear that it may not exist in our children’s lifetimes due to petty political power struggles of immigration. But currently, any EU citizen or individual on a Work/Study visa is allowed free use of the hospital. (Sure it is raised from taxes, but at least your taxes go to something worth while as opposed to the States)

    http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/about/Pages/overview.aspx

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. I have found this to be true in meditation. I’m actually having a bit of a personal struggle with this right now, as I wish to explore new means of consciousness through mediations, but will often be struck with a sense of fear when a new experience is brought upon me. It’s funny to be aware of the problem, and still be stuck in it, but I guess that’s humans for you — Animals that are consciously aware of their mistakes. But yes, it does ease my mind much more to know there is more to the world/universe than myself and to know I’m not the gatekeeper of the experience, but rather the catalyst that creates the reaction.

    That was interesting about the metabolism, not something I know much about to be honest. But the imagery of the sacrificial fire and frankly comparing it to a machine is the perfect analogy

    I suppose I should restate my thought better
    I believe on a finical level we would be more conservative, take less risks with our money as it may need to be supported over a long time. As an Entrepreneur, it’s almost comforting to know I will die if all goes south. And I’m inspired to take more risks.

    On a social level, I feel we may even be more wild and accepting to new ideas.
    Again, a bit too hypothetical, but that’s what I meant to say.


    So how would you suggest reforming a system that takes lives into a more equal account. And do we really need equality? I honestly think it might be safer for a person grown in poverty to die than to live on the edge of life daily. I actually wouldn’t be objected to the idea of the master class (thinning out the heard so to speak) no matter how morbid it seems.

    I can’t even picture a model for humans that doesn’t use a hierarchy system, I have always been interested in the ideas of Carl Marx and Vladimir Lenin for this reason. They push this concept of equality very well in their ideas, but I’m still unsure if it is practical in reality. This system is ingenious for smaller civilizations though, but in a globalized economy I think it might even be impossible
     
  7. thedope

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    I would like to ween you for a moment from the examples I have given to say that they are used to facilitate cognition of axiomatic principles. These are fundamental statements that are used as a basis for further reasoning for the purpose of informing action. The recognition of these principles gives us a sound biofeedback link. This becomes what is referred to as the peace of god.

    As regards systems they are not the problem being systemic of sponsoring conceptions. The only meaningful change then is funda-mental. Changing our mind or our fundamental model of the world. You say you can't imagine a system not based on some kind of hierarchy and that is because of cultured response. Our model of the the world is based on dendritic constructions or pathways that sort information. What we have been taught is to seek conformity based on idyllic principles. That is what concerns us is the difference between what we are taught should be there as opposed to what we actually witness. This is an incorrect way of apprehending real things as it does not at all foster understanding but objection and refusal to consider. You would fight for what you think is right rather than allow reality to set the terms of rightness. The idyllic does not conform to practical concerns. We do not need idyllic comparisons to organize our lives and what most fundamentally orients is the capacity to distinguish between what is the same and what is different and distinguish integrity of form as it relates to function or to learn to ask the question what a thing is for and on that basis decide whether it is helpful or not. In this way of apprehending never is considered that a phenomena may be harmful. This leads to the christ teaching of forgiveness in restoring proper perspective toward apprehending real things. Sin meaning to miss the sign or appropriate direction or proportion thereby informing our seemingly reasonable responses, a matter of perception. Summary the truth sets us free from sin or the disproportionate chaotic response to quite secure reality. The fear of death is substantially the fear of reality yet nothing real can be caused to become unreal. What is real is not beyond comprehension however unless you suffer from existential doubt. If that is the case, pinch yourself and wake up.

    A system without hierarchy is evident. For every action there is an equal and complementary action or the measure you give is the measure you receive, having and being are the same. As far as the cost of things where our treasure lies is where we bind our investments. It is not a fact of nature that our care free days should seem so few and forever distant but that we have not learned to be free with our care meeting our own resistance on the insistence as to what should be. The most economical venture is sharing.
     
  8. Dejavu

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    I'm hardened, but not ponderously! Being more arterial than you, I outpace you in a flash! :-D If you like, there's a way you can keep up. lol

    Strange you don't know yourself outside your so-called 'machine'. :-D It's you. Denial counts for nothing.


    So? It's still not true. Nothing of the mind transcends the physical.




    Yes.

    What we have here is wholly writ. Come through to ring true.


    We don't do anything if not born, but there's nothing to your 'if'. We are born.

    We don't die from birth. Being true to words is a talent. You struck lucky with your formulation: - "creation has no opposite." Run with it! :-D


    I see you shine well in the sun.


    You see? ;-D


    No necessity of abstraction, no. Love is as desirable as ever! :-D



    Not all we invoke. Not everyones invocation is god. Some call light, or more, or ever. The only undeniable authority is self. The 'attempt' to deny it is always just that. If you taught them perplexion it won't matter, provided you didn't prohibit laughter! lol

    Self-promotion. I don't know how to sell. Through everything I am my body.
     
  9. Anaximenes

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    Now that someone has brought up this subject of hands-on vs, hands-off (communication for instance) I could consider the attitude of human equilibrium with the utility of instrumental contact with the Environment. No God is at issue, or at least no God that I am. I have no essential soul. I am merely intelligent. How does the equilibrium exist by the human law ethical deeds and contracted judgment define that I after-all must be one or the other: hands on OR hands off?

    The philosopher Strawson means that I have belonging to an Ethos, a circumstance of universally being constrained within the natural free being of human nature. But the feeling of being hands on or hands off IS IMAGINED. So if God is imagined along with the hands off or hands off facticity (fact for there being Facts of religious explaining of Conscience) then the power to the God for choosing the nature of my choice is all that self-determines Equilibrium. There is as much law in my own obedience at the same concern as the Law for the threat of disobeying. That is the whole government an governance of my Conscience.

    Of course what is Freedom for the time of such an essential choosing. Some authority must clamp down and determine the moment. Without resentment, no regrets, there should really NOT BE any such awareness. Thus that God is but an illusion. But the authority that I be the determination exists per self-determination. By resentment of authority God is no longer an illusion, and I AM the God.

    The God is in control of the hands, all extremities in fact. The God is in denial of responsibility for the action of the hands and is imagination itself. being imagination itself is sustained by something somewhat external. And such energy owes violence with the soul. That's a private conscience and no human law can have part in It. SUch energy can hold violence alternatively with the Body, and the Human Law is totally in control of the essential Fact of the Body, the very existence of the Soul. That was no joke about the Columbian Cartell.
     
  10. thedope

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    That which we invoke comes first or is our call to action.
     
  11. Anaximenes

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    The thesis, as I wrote, I believe.:) The thesis being: is it hands on OR hands off?
     
  12. thedope

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    I am in the blink of an eye ever vigilant.
    I know me through your eyes.
    Except it's content.
    You call me liar for the purpose of speaking the truth?
    We don't do anything if not born but that something is nothing in particular you mean?
    And I didn't say we did. I said we die because we are born.
    What is shining well?
    Brilliantly.
    That everything be something in particular yes.
    What does love desire?

    And god is that authority, that which we invoke whether you call it God or God's or consumer goods, (of which love is one in your opinion.)
    Then you have no therapeutic purpose.
     
  13. thedope

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    I say the same thing in a different form. A form consistent with the saying god is that which we invoke. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing that is god being the creator.
     
  14. guerillabedlam

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    I'd be hands on. If I possessed the attributes of a God, I'm not sure why I wouldn't intervene if I had the ability to.
     
  15. Dejavu

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    thedope:
    For?

    Not before your own.

    No.

    When you lie, yes.

    No. We are born. Your 'if' is uncalled for.

    What's the difference?

    Undeniably.

    Then you will know knowledge is its perception.


    lol You speak the truth as unwittingly as you lie! Yes, there is no necessity of abstraction that everything be something in particular. :-D

    Itself, through the entirety of your denial.

    But I don't call it god or gods, and you still don't see. I am not god. I am myself. Where is my opinion of love as consumer good, liar? Love has condition, not a cost. If you could see yourself through my eyes, you'd be me! Why are my eyes finer than yours? God? Prove it! lol Chance and circumstance. And don't forget love!

    :-D Through not knowing how to sell?! I am more obliging than the tit for tat of the proletariat! You see, I have a 'soul'! It's my intelligence, it's my body, mind, it's me!
     
  16. Anaximenes

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    One's eyes for the purpose of overcoming fear and trusting are indifference for the model citizen. He lives forever because the government tells him he cannot see the other, but for his own Sex.The other sees Him as his protector of Vigilance.
     
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    If I were god i'd be 100% hands on. Heres what I would do: I'd edit all terrible things out of this reality we have. there would be no sadness, suffering, or disease. All men would have a large enough penis to please their women and be attractive enough to have any woman. All women would be attractive enough to attract any man they want. There would be no pain. If you cut your arm off you grow it back. There would be no war, because the laws of physics I create wont allow war machines to exist. There would be no rape because there would be a magnetic field around a vagina, ass, mouth, or wherever the rapist wants to stick it that repels dicks that are not wanted but allows them to enter if they are welcome. I would also use this magnetic field to keep children from being molested so concepts such as rape or child molestation would not exist in my reality either.
    Oh, and there would be no churches built to worship me, no religion based on me, it would all just be my reality, laws of physics, matter and energy organized exactly the way I wanted it. I'd join in as well, but I wouldn't become some prophet that would later have a religion based on him. Id just kick back, relax, and live.
    I could write a whole book on what I would do as "god". =P
     

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