Is it Christian to work in a bomb making facility?

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  1. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    Depends on what denomination you are.

    Is that the right word? I have no idea.
     
  2. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    To be tragic about all, this morning, I think, non-believing by working in a bomb factory soon becomes Christian, and God fearing, rather than, say, Buddhist.
     
  3. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    i dont know that working in a bomb factory suddenly makes you become anything. i do know i said nothing about the Buddha though.
     
  4. Mr.Writer

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    The original poster is not asking whether working in a bomb making factory suddenly "makes you something".

    What she is asking is, can somebody say they follow the teachings of Christ and work for the military industrial complex, or some other morally bankrupt racket.

    The amount of people who answered with "yes" or "maybe" is quite appalling.

    Those who did, and who consider themselves Christian, how would you explain your career choice to the Lord God when you die? Don't hate the playa, hate the game?

    This topic is about cafeteria christians, which seems to be the only kind that exist. Same goes for muslims and jews of course. The problem with abrahamic religions is that they are patently preposterous. Absolutely absurd; their cosmological foundations are dismantled by science and their moral laws are vulgar, simplistic and rooted deeply within particular cultures in particular times. There is nothing eternal or sacred about them; their holy texts written by men who would make the men in the US Senate look like poet-kings, and for reasons dark as any political machinations you could imagine.

    The answer to the OP's question is "No, you could NOT be a christian and work in a bomb making facility". Even within these wretched and corrupting prisons of the mind known as religions, you would be hard pressed to show justification to participate in indiscriminate slaughter of people in the name of geopolitical intrigue and financial power games.
     
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  5. vance2335

    vance2335 Banned

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    It seems like you are against religion from your post, if so how can you even answer the question? What if this bomb making facility is only for defense?
    What someone does for a job does not define what they believe and practice.

    If you steal a piece of bread to feed someone are you not committing a crime? Then you should be labeled a criminal right? Even if that bread is to feed a baby? You can't judge someone morals based on what you think because it does not apply to eveyone in all situations. On top of that to bash anyone who has a different thought then you is just dumb.
     
  6. thedope

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    Disgust is our nervous systems reaction to stimulus which is informed by our sense of rightness. Where our sense of rightness is there follows our passionate response. However anxiety is caused by the misapprehension of what is so. Nothing real can be caused to become unreal and nothing unreal exists. Therefor disgust is not an appropriate reaction to real things. Somewhere in your narrative of right things is an error in perception. Consciousness is the light by which things are seen and seen in correct proportion, that is equal in every extent as reality is everywhere real or appropriate, the whole body will be full of light. Reality is not inherent with value judgments but various properties some the same and some different and some useful for some things and some not useful for others. For example a sledgehammer is not useful for removing a screw and value judgments are not useful for apprehending phenomena but can create blinding appearances as we react with rage for another example.

    Of the question what would you tell god about your career you might say you were trying to make a living and on that basis it would be noted that they didn't know what they were doing as they had already been given life.

    We contribute to geopolitical intrigue and financial power games by virtue of working for a wage regardless what you manufacture. We are not compelled by the system however but the fear of being without and this overwhelms our reasonable responses to life. Limited life is nothing more than an abstraction. Having life and being alive are the same. Why worry for tomorrow what you shall wear or what you shall eat. We go through many stages of life and in some we find ourselves entirely dependent and yet we exist beyond our own efforts. There is enough trouble in a day and to be ever vigilant of opportunity is enough to grow in the sun.
     
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  7. storch

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    The question of whether or not it is moral for a christian to work in a bomb-making factory brings to mind the issue of degrees. If someone believes that it's immoral for a christian to work in a bomb-making factory, then what about the morality of christians working in a foundry where some of the steel will be shipped off and used in the bomb-making factory hundreds of miles away? And what about the christians working on a farm where the food will be sold to the people who work in the bomb-making factory? Where does culpability begin and end?
     
  8. thedope

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    Culpability for what? Good to hear from you storch.
     
  9. storch

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    Culpability for the manufacturing of bombs. Is there a difference between doing so directly and doing so indirectly? Good to hear from you as well.

    EDIT: My point is that anyone calling into question the morality of someone who works at a bomb-making factory should consider the indirect way in which they might be playing their own part in the process, even if only by paying taxes which they know will be used by the federal government to make weaponry to kill innocent humans.
     
  10. thedope

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    I am culpable to my concerns and am rewarded in kind with my investments. Like I said before making bombs makes us bomb makers but it doesn't make us bomb droppers nor does it make us christian. Does it detract from christian sincerity? Christian sincerity is based on giving not on exchange rates. A sense of lack inspires a limit on giving and is a reinforced route to poverty. Many do not feel they have time to care or cannot afford to care for example thinking it too expensive to be environmentally sound but it is not a fact of nature that our carefree days should seem so few and forever distant. This speaks only to the fact that we have not learned that we may be free with our care or free with our giving convinced we should care more or less or what little we have will be taken away. Another limiting factor to personal prosperity are the things we judge against as we cannot invest in things for which we find no value.
     
  11. Anaximenes

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    That's why working in a bomb making facility is still Christian, because it breads and fosters values opposing the values of the material product. However, the values we learn do not address the quite plausible christian values of love relationships (the Corinthians), the love of the opposite sex, the love of the enemy as yourself, and life will show that we should have learned to disgrace each other with lessons of insincerity.

    I'm opposing the very existence of the material product, and I'll discover that (I already know in advance) the values of ideal concern which are christian and realized by women these days (the bomb facility there and all) I learn as Christian to despise these women. Brainlessly, I'll make love to them, but at all humanly possible, I shall per Being Christian keep my life and dignity to myself. I believe it more important to love the enemy.
     
  12. pensfan13

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    the theory against bomb makers being christian seems to remind me of the crusades, i guess they werent christian too...funny they believed more than anyone else it would seem.
     
  13. humanbeaing

    humanbeaing see you in paradise! HipForums Supporter

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    The culpability ends when it does not bother your conscious
     
  14. Anaximenes

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    Well the money is good if the electronics has the sophistication. There is a fooling of scientific 'heaven' for loners to dream of amazing people to meet and hob knob with.
     
  15. humanbeaing

    humanbeaing see you in paradise! HipForums Supporter

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    And obviously they were wrong for what they did and no, not to Christian to say the least
     
  16. Asmodean

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    Conscience
     
  17. humanbeaing

    humanbeaing see you in paradise! HipForums Supporter

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    Something about that word
     
  18. Piney

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    Ah... raw clams and beer! I'd start my own religion.
     
  19. humanbeaing

    humanbeaing see you in paradise! HipForums Supporter

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    Jesus fulfilled that law
     
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