Religion’S Longest Running Victims. Women.

Should Affirmative Action be done within the churches by governments or does the law of the lands stop at the church doors?

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DL

 

being sexually free is not objectifying one self. stop slut shaming, stop sex shaming. taking control of one's body is empowering.

so you're saying i should sympathise.... they didn't mean to burn all those people at the stake, they were just making due with what they could!

 

Well, maybe you could hold those dreadful actions against those people who actually did that centuries ago, but not really against people today. What do you think?

 

the church, the organization is the one that continues to commit these crimes.... yet people still stand by them. why choose to identify with such an evil?

 

They still burn people?

 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/08/minnesota.catholic.gay.marriage/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29

How such an obviously good hearted couple as shown here can support their church after such treatment is something that can only be attributed to our tribal instinct. It is attached to tradition and culture.

Some tribes do need extinction though and support should go towards the best.

The best and the worst are in the Abrahamic cults.

Those in power have been the worse winners for women. The loser were thus the best. Gnostic Christianity is the religion that can give woman back her freedom from male oppression. No argument. As the better religion for women, I hope enough care to get it going as the tipping point would be enhanced by such, even atheists should join it. After all, it is a thinking persons religion.

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DL

 

Yes. As witches. God loves burnt offerings.

For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.

Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D


When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.

For the evils of religion to grow.

How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?

Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.

We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.

It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHa...x=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.

African witches and Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9...eature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 3
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Z...eature=related

For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

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DL

 

Now you're talking politics and economics, not religion. Equal pay for equal work has been championed by Democrats, who currently are out of power in the House of Representatives and probably soon in the rest of Congress. Otherwise, pay is a function of market forces. If corporations think it will increase their profit margins to pay women more, they'll do so. In the present climate, I wouldn't hold my breath. How does religion enter in? The gerrymandered U.SA. electoral system allows the Republican majority in the House to perpetuate itself. The majority is curently Republican, which is actually a regional party based in the Bible Belt--bastion of Christian religious fundamentalism which is patriachal in nature. I doubt that your preaching will have much affect on this situation because: none of them are on Hip Forums, they're hopeless religious fanatics, and most Americans are distracted by other matters, like sports, entertainment and staying alive. But I think history is not on the Republicans' side. As the older white male voters die out, and Hispanics increase their numbers, the worm will turn (but then the influence of the Catholic Church might increase). Also, as women gain more education, they should gain more leverage with corporate America.

 

When was the last time a Christian church burned a witch? BTW, even in the Dark Ages they usually didn't burn witches, they hanged them. Burning was reserved for heretics. What terrible crimes have the Methodists, the UCC, the Quakers, the Amish, or the Mennonites committed? There are plenty of non-literalist alternative Christian choices to the Gnostics--Churches with long traditions of equal rights for women.

 

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Greatest I am: "Some tribes do need extinction though and support should go towards the best.

The best and the worst are in the Abrahamic cults." Extinnction? Really? Because they hold views different from yours that you find distasteful?

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There are plenty of non-literalist alternative Christian choices to the Gnostics--Churches with long traditions of equal rights for women. Should Affirmative Action be done within the churches by governments or does the law of the lands stop at the church doors? The U.S. has a tradition of respecting limits to government interference with private associations. Women who prefer churches which give them greater respect and opportunities for advancement are free to join them.

 

That was not the question. It was on Affirmative Action.

Regards
DL

 

the Christian women's society is not lonesomeness , thus , not defenseless nor silent .
certainly not silent . how do they speak to a man ? if you don't know then you are unworthy ,
uninformed , deaf to the language of prayer .

 

We haven't gotten to Timothy Freke's video yet, and why you think he's relevant to the topic. I think he has some interesting things to say about Christianity that I agree with, but he's basically wrong about two important things: Jesus was an historical figure and the Gnostics weren't the original form of Christianity, squelched by the church and the Romans. At least there's no evidence of that, and what evidence we have points the other way. In an earlier thread, entitled Jesus Myth, I presented nine reasons ( yet to be rebutted) for believing that Jesus was an historical figure. Check them out. Also, there's no record of Christian Gnostic writings before the second century. The big battle within early Christianity was between the followers of Paul, on the one hand, and the Jerusalem Church, under the leadership of James, Jesus' brother,on the other hand. The Jerusalem church, basically a sect of Judaism, was the antithesis of Gnosticism, and Paul's view, which won, is what became the predominant view of the Catholic and later Protestant churches. Freke's scholaly credentials are thin, and he relies mainly on secodnary non-refreeed sources. Freke's Jesus Myth is a myth--not that that's all bad, but it's not what actually happened.

 

The idea is that people will have sex regardless of whether or not contraception is available. They've always done so and they will always do so. So if you are against contraception, the natural course is that you are committing women to being pregnant when they do not wish to be. That's why it's anti-women.

 

You misunderstood what I said. I never said you objectify yourself, but that you allow yourself to be objectified.

Sadly, in modern cultire, we have gotten to a point because of objectification that breastfeeding is seen as as pornographic and some men get jealous and resent their children because they grew up learning breasts were "for them". I see a link between the culture that already says that women are objects to be enjoyed and possessed by men and a movement that says so-called consequence free sex is a way to show how empowered you are.

Who truly has the power: Girls who are taught that self worth come from being looked at and desired by men?


BTW: Good job completely avoiding the topic.

 

Prayer is garbage compared to equality.

Pray that religious men find religion and a better idea of justice as compared to what their religions presently give them for justice.

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DL

 

We have no way of knowing what actually happened or what is myth or fact. That is why thinking of it all as myth is more beneficial as we cannot prove any of it.

I think that thanks to Gnostic Christianity being a universalist religion, which is closer to Catholic, which means universal, that that makes it the predecessor of the non-Universalist church that Constantine created.

Our Kabbalistic esoteric bend also shows we are older than the original Orthodox Church that Constantine created.

This is a thread on morality and for that question, it does not matter if Jesus was real or not. He was not fond of women and did not speak of giving them the same divorce right that men had.

So much for Jesus being a Universalist to Christians.

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DL

 

I manage to not get people pregnant all the time by not having sex.

I think it is incredibly demeaning to say that people cannot control themselves.

 

The myth states that jesus said that it was moses who allowed divorce for hardness of heart. Jesus' take was there are no marriages in heaven so you actually kinda compare apples and oranges there in putting new wine in old skins.

As to gnostic tradition being older it is accurate using the term to say it is not. On the other hand the esoteric lineage of learning is unbroken since life's inception and is responsible for the mythic descriptions of all peoples. They reflect lessons of a universal curriculum that comes in many forms.