Cuba - A Big Win For Obama

Both parties were for free trade with China. No way to vote against it on election day. But... it was a pet project for Bush (sr.) since his days as an ambassador.

 

And Clinton signed it.

 

True dat...

 

That was just the final step in the transition. By then, Chinese imports were already doing serious damage to the local manufacturing economy.

But getting back to Cuba... It isn't a big enough island with enough resources to become a major player in the business world. I think one of their best opportunities (besides tourism) is going to be expanding their airport operations in Havana to give some relief to overloaded Miami International. They have the perfect location for a regional hub.

 

Good point on island resources but I don't see how bigger airport in havana relieves congestion in miami, Bigger airport just means more flights in and out of cuba. More flights in one location, more congestion every else unless the benefit is to bypass the states altogether on international routes. if it is a matter of reshuffling international routes bypassing miami then that is a net negative on the financial outlook for that port of entry. I think air travel as we know it will become obsolete in the face of upcoming technologies. I just throw that in there to suggest that there are many probabilities for the future and a new discovery can change things fundamentally. We get the idea that our habits are set in stone and that the future will always be just multiplying and dividing the same old shit. I think the most stimulating political discussion is what do we what do we want to see happen in lieu of protecting and extending interests that are locally regionally and world wide, short sighted. I think China is probably one of the few countries that has a long term outlook. We have election cycles and obviously the emphasis there is we have to win right now.

 

Interesting... I can tell you(experience) being in the American penal system is a nightmare for sure .However, whatever the various reasons for imprisonment in Cuba, prisoners face severe hardships. Prisoners often are denied basic rights such as adequate health care and food. Ex-prisoners and political dissidents on the island are beginning to speak out about the physical violence they endured while in Cuban prisons.
Ok,maybe these reports are coming from shaky sources, but just going by shit I checked out , Cuban prisons are so deficient that they violate a number of international instruments designed to protect basic human rights.
I knew a couple of Cuban-Americans who who had the misfortune of being caught up in the Cuban prison system and from the stories Ive heard ,human rights abuses in Cuban prisons are the norm. Cuba has an obligation to respect the fundamental rights guaranteed by UN declarations - which their govt has ignored for years.
Listen, the idea is to not break the laws ,& to stay out of lock up- but when bad things happen to good people ,at the very least you should be provided the basics-I think Cuba has a way to go on human rights issues.

 

That's the idea. MIA is near capacity, and local residents strongly oppose continuing growth at that airport and all the others in South Florida. In general, that area can't support much more human activity than it already has. It wouldn't be a terrible thing for anybody if a lot of the growth shifts to Havana, where jobs are badly needed. Maybe they could eventually do some aircraft maintenance there, if they invest in the needed educational facilities to produce the workers.

Business travel has already been reduced by video conferencing technology, and that trend will continue, but I don't see what that has to do with vacation travel. I don't want to just see a picture of a beach on my computer screen. That just makes me want to go even more. Also, air cargo is still a growth industry, as important cargo items become smaller, lighter, and more time-sensitive.

 

I absolutely agree, I'm very interested in improving human rights and treatment in our (alleged) justice system(s). I'm not saying what cuba does is alright. It especially concerns me because with my health conditions, I'd only survive a few hours in cuban custody........ or custody by plenty of US police departments. Surviving prison, even the most attentive US one, would be pretty unlikely for me.


But consider that the US has a wholly internationally (and domestically) illegal prison specifically for the purpose of torture and illegal detainment with no trials or charges, in cuba.

Yes, when the US tortures you they have doctors present, and try to keep you healthy so that you can keep enjoying your long life of living in a sensory deprivation hole in between torture sessions with no hope of release, no trial, and no legal counsel, but even so they managed to torture at least one guy to death, and it seems that others have gone missing, never existed, or the like. It's safer, but only to the end that they can make it more horrific. They had to remove a guy's eye, after what the torturers did to him (ehh, maybe they just felt like it, and it was more torture.... who knows).

It's pretty strange for the US to be running this prison (proudly, no less) in cuba, and have the balls to say anything about cuban treatment of prisoners.

So, when I said I'd rather be imprisoned by cuban authorities in cuba than us authorities in cuba..... I stand by it. If you're a US prisoner in cuba, you are probably going to die in custody, and there's a very good change you're totally innocent.

 

Well yes, clinton is a global-interventionist big-business-licking democrat.

Talks on the left, walks on the right.

Clinton was the prototype obama, and obama ain't nuthin' compared to the next clinton.

 

Cuba Gooding Jr playing Obama in a movie.. oh yeah, Id see that..

 

Next Clinton??? People need their fucking head examined just like the retard helmet she wore to LIE! The united states does not need Hillary cunton. Seems most want this country to fall to Osama backed shit. She got Americans killed, Only a idiot and she is one, Would run for presidency with that and all her other poor mouthing bullshit she tries to pull.

No matter a thread, Its always has to have a 'its bushes fault' or a bush for that matter. Funny thing, Country ran a lot smoother, No lowlifes on welfare, Jobs that paid well etc. I guess the dem/libs want the bush family to foot every bill and fuck up the dumbasses make. When in doubt, Blame bush! Not the trillion spending moron and his "handouts" and incentives to not work.

 

Ha, Yogi, you're such a comedian.



I wish you and your family a happy holiday!

 

yes, during the bush years there was not one American on welfare and everyone made at least $40 an hour.

yogi, do you have a learning disability by any chance

 

No, I have a work ethic that I stick to and make money. Made more money, hand over fist until Osama took over and started paying to sit at home. Not saying people were not milking the system during that period, But a drop in the hat when you compare the country then and now.
To the shithole the obamanation is working toward. If people had to get off their ass and quit making excuses for ' why they cant work' bullshit. If their freebies and "handouts" got cut, Im sure a lot would be ready to work. That's too simple though.

More so proof that people are that naïve for cunton to even attempt to run bingo game let alone a country. Her husband is the sole person who wanted to sell us out and did so. That when ALL Americans wanted top quality, American made and a cheap price tag.
I know what selling out and the profit gained and lost first hand and my father plays for the dem/dumbs. I worked for the outfit that sold 'outsourced' hydraulic cylinders to the 'union' run company, That cut a workforce from 1500 to 750+/- so they could literally save a buck.

He wasn't happy with it, But that when the end of Case corp started its demise. Also funny he got tons of overtime during reagun and bush, But it fell show when slick willy hit office. He also made close to what hourly wage was mentioned too and more on OT and holiday pay. Talk about a group of one track mind people who ALWASYS have their hand out for more, Hit up a union and or more specific, The teachers union. That's a Nazi war machine in itself.

 

^ right or wrong, all i get from your posts is anger and frustration. im not quite sure why your so angry, you seem to focus on anger more than explaining your point so others understand. you may say that you dont care, but then why would you go on a public forum if not to have your point understood by others. this is a platform where you can reach many people and all they will get from you is that your an angry ranter with no clear point.

 

- if you follow this kind of news, this is not the first time you would've heard about it. there have been many protests calling for the gov to do something about Alan Gross. I live in miami so i know (this is where his family and many cubans live). also, there have been many editorias in national papers calling this a precursor to "break the ice" for talks with cuba.

- "just shred paperword and call cuba good to go". <- prime example of downplaying the thought and planning that went into this. if you look at the fact sheet that the whitehouse.gov released, you would have seen that the president had the secretary of state form a council to plan things like reestablishing an american embasy among other things. even the pope was involved with talks with the president.

- "But goes to show there is still some stupid around America along with supporters of." what?

- "They only wanted to shoot missiles at us and kill us, But that's all good and forgotten now" no cuban has ever woken up and said, "hey i feel like shooting missles at the USA." on the contrary, cubans love the US and dream of sending their kids there, they are not blind like the north koreans, they watch american television. the only time there has ever been any anti-US feelings in cuba was after Fidel indoctrinated the country. and if they were at war with us in the past, thats still no excuse to not lift the embargo. we currently trade with Japan, and Germany and Italy, you dont hear people bitching about that.

all in all, the whole purpose of this is to "work with Cuba on matters of mutual concern that advance U.S. national interests."

if you can think of reasons that this would hurt our national intrests, then lets hear them, but please, stop your pointless ranting.

 

We supply Cuba with a lot of corn and soybeans, but it was limited. Now that the embargo's lifted there can be expanded sales, including equipment for small farmers. Agricultural and business training will be more available as well as greater communications hardware and services. Cuban and American banks can begin to co-operate to allow travelers to use credit and debit cards.

Cuba will definitely benefit from this move, and hopefully it will lift some of the poverty there.

 

No they wouldn't. GMO seeds from American crops are designed to grow sterile crops that won't reproduce. This would force Cuban agriculturalists to buy more seeds from Dow and Monsanto for each new season. American GMO companies gave Haiti a bunch of these GMO seeds as a humanitarian publicity stunt after the earthquake, and the Hatians wouldn't accept them. They were very smart to do so. Keep American GMO crops out of Cuba.

Besides, Cuba is a very agriculturally intensive nation and they have some of the best natural crops and foods growing there already.

 

Did you not read? We already supply them with TONS of corn and soybeans

http://www.ibjonline.com/localheadlines/1545-illinois-soybean-farmers-welcome-cuba-potential
"The U.S. was once the dominant supplier of all Cuba's soy products until Brazil moved in during 2011 and 2012, and Argentina in 2013. We want to get that business back," says John Longley, soybean farmer from Aledo, Ill., and ISG director. "Cuba relies solely on foreign suppliers for soybeans, so the U.S. and specifically Illinois- the country's No. 1 soybean-producing state- has a big opportunity to gain business that will boost our economy."

The Monsanto thing is another issue.

 

So you got too cocky when the credit was loose and now you can't handle it when they try to clean up the larceny?
how were you making money?