Cia Report Details 'brutal' Post-9/11 Interrogations

Now... Reading a bit into what Shaman and Vance were saying...

I just don't know. I think it's odd the body was never recovered and I thin there is HUGE CHANCE Bin Laden did not make it through his illnesses and die that day. I think that is TOTALLY possible. (that shaman is right). However, I'm bored with looking up this shit. I'm mad busy with two kids and being (happy and sad.. my own shit). But what I'm saying is.. who knows the real story? Do you trust the government? We all know what they've been CAUGHT on. Obviously they didn't get caught on everything so I think it's totally plausible. But for me, it's who f'ing knows.

 

The Senate report says it had nothing to do with getting Bin Laden.

 

The Senate report only gives us a 500 page summary of the full 6700 page report. Much of the information has been redacted, meaning covered up and withheld from the American people. The US military has tortured and killed over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers in 28 ships, including some contractor ships on the open seas, outside the laws of any nation. The war on Iraq was based on a false confession by El-LIbi who was buried alive for 17 hours. He confessed to stop the torture. His confession about a meeting between Mohammad Atta and an Iraqi agent in Europe never happened. He just said it to stop the torture. Collin Powell used it at the UN to justify war. Later, Powell said it was the lowest point in his career. He was ashamed of it.

 

I find it hard to believe none of you think prisoner interrogations being taken to the extreme haven't always happened. There's nothing moral about war. I'm not saying it's right, but it's part of war.

Bush's mistake was admitting it. Worse yet, he afforded them Geneva Convention status which opened them up for execution. Enemy soldiers captured out of uniform can be executed as spies under the Geneva Convention.

To further add to US behavior, Obama not only extended but greatly expanded the Patriot Act, and intensified drone strikes in Pakistan. When confronted with 80% of Pakistani drone strike deaths being civilians, an Obama White House official justified those deaths as "moral imperatives".

There's plenty of blame to go around. Bush gets blamed for creating a vacuum in Iraq, but Obama did the exact same thing in Libya, Syria, Egypt, and Yemen. It looks like we'll get the same from Afghanistan. This isn't a partisan issue. Obama is every bit the warmonger Bush was,

 

You're referring to a partisan report written by staff members. A report which claims the head of the interrogation unit had no experience with interrogations, when in fact he ran the U.S. Military's program training servicemen how to survive and resist torture.

DHS and the CIA have repeatedly claimed they gained useful information. They've released some of that info too, including stopping a plot to crash airliners into towers in Los Angeles. Dems have towed the party line in their claims "we didn't learn nothing". I think the truth is somewhere in between.

Funny part is more reporters have been water boarded than prisoners (reporters love a good story), and tens of thousands American servicemen have been waterboarded in SERE training. I went through it....it sucked, but I'm here to tell the tale.

Feinstein's report doesn't include testimony from the CIA, the psychologists who carried out the interrogations, lies about their qualifications, lies by claiming Congress was never notified, and neglects to mention that not only did Congress approve the program (including Pelosi) but they repeatedly authorized funding of the program.

I'm all for a legitimate investigation, but this partisan report has a lot of holes in it,

 

There is no SEAL Team 6.

 

Yes, they are men of honor not someone like you.

 

^^^

 

And who are they then?

 

I know, right? fucking faggots.

 

Oh how I wish you would say this to one of them. I laughter I would enjoy.

 

I've know a few seals, only one with a level head. He made it through all the training but was discharged because he maintained a mind of his own and refused to be brainwashed.

Besides, my sensei trains special forces...I know all their tricks. If they don't have a gun, seals don't scare me a bit.

 

Semantics. SEAL Team 6 changed their name to DEVGRU. The other teams still use their numbers. In the end, they're still SEAL Team 6.

 

Amelioration happens when when you change the subject from its original form into something else. You have changed the subject to a Republican Vs Democrat thing.

 

All the while we were badmouthing and sanctioning other country's for the same shit.

Not letting Obama off any hook, but the middle east conflict was Bushs 'Holy war' he sold to the US public, under the guise of morality.

"It is a war with which good will prevail," he told the National Religious Broadcasters Convention. "Our cause could not be more noble." In his proclamation for a National Prayer Day today, he said that, "entrusted with the holy gift of freedom, and allowed to prosper in its great light, we have a responsibility to serve as a beacon to the world." (New York Times)

 

"Morality is the best of all devices for leading mankind by the nose."~Nietzsche

 

I did no such thing. I stepped through that actions of the last two Presidents and followed it with, "This isn't a partisan issue".

Nowhere in my post did I bring political affiliations into the conversation.

 

Bush's actions in Iraq and Afghanistan (our involvement in A-Stan was justified but a dangerous course) don't negate Obama's meddling in Syria, Egypt, or Libya. Didn't Obama himself claim he brought peace to the Middle East?

Again....I'm not defending either one. They're both war mongerers.

 

No, A-stan was not justified and no, Obama made no such claim that I'm aware of. He more likely said he thought we were helping bring peace to the middle east.

You say you are not defending either one but you are more interested in trashing Obama, no?

 

I voted for Obama but would be the first to admit he is a disappointment. He failed to prosecute the Bush people and let the NSA keep doing their crap. The wars in the Middle East were designed in The Project For a New American Century--by Wolfowitz and Crystal. Everyone should look it up. The full text is on the net.