France Mourns 12 Dead In The War Against Free Speech

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  1. Karen_J

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    Would you classify ISIS and Al Qaeda as cults? I think ISIS in particular has become too big and powerful to fit the classic definition. No other cult has ever had its capabilities.
     
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    The cult of Jesus has THE BOMB. 92% of Congress is Christian. And they rather enjoy invading other countries, killing (how many in the last 12 years?) imposing their system, torturing those they capture (even if innocent). Let's get real here. There's LOTS of blame to go around.

    The US spends more on its military than all other countries combined. Why? It's not like we get invaded every day...

    I expect to see a similar attack in the US any day now.

    It amazes me how FAST Islam is spreading BY FORCE in so many countries at once.

    And the tactics are pretty much all out war on civilians now.

    Reminds me of the Crusades and the Inquisitions rolled into one.

    The New Christian Crusade began on 9/11 (the call to arms), so the battles will continue (until we all get wiped out).

    At least the radical Islamists are honest about their motivations and intentions. The Christians always lie to cover their greedy Imperialism.
     
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    I rarely use the term cult for anything. About IS and Al Quaeda, I regard both as criminal organisations that abuse islam, though I recognize that a lot of members think they are actually fighting for it. Not all though.
     
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    Where should that blame go? To people and their deeds or to whatever happens to be their religious affiliation?
     
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    That's a good question. :)

    I say there's enough blame to go around to all.
    Especially any religion that encourages it's members to proselytize and convert others.

    That just encourages radical thinking and action in some members of the religion - whatever the religion.

    So anyone who subscribes to a religion, esp. one that offers you no simple way to leave it (under penalty of death or torture or shunning or whatever), isn't worth 2 cents.

    Problem is religions refuse to change and modernize with the wisdom and insights humanity has gained over the past few thousand years.

    If your religion can't explain hardly any of the mysteries of reality as well as science then you've limited yourself and you're becoming a relic of something obsolete.

    Look at it this way, if you call yourself a "Christian", you've basically rejected every other belief system outright. You've separated yourself from the rest of humanity. This is what religions do, and they're very good at it. It's us vs them. So you get war, murder, intolerance, hatred, etc. Lovely religions, no? How's that working out for ya?

    Now that's not to say you can't admire someone like Jesus or Buddha and learn something from them. But that doesn't require you to convert, give up other beliefs, or proselytize. It doesn't require organized religion or preachers. It just requires an open mind...

    And if you find it no problem to believe the universe is billions of years old and also to like the teachings of Jesus, just don't call yourself a Christian, cause you're not really one.
     
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  6. Karen_J

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    Point taken. No argument here.

    All cults abuse the core teachings of their root religion.

    That's the core of New Age philosophy. :cheers2:
     
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    my heart goes out to the families of the 12 who where murdered. it is time for Muslims leaders around the world to come out and speak out at militant Islam. to many remain silent. yes there are good Muslims and they are the majority. but to many sympathies with militant Islam. however we must not allow this attack be used as a tool for the government to take away our human rights any anyway as if it dose it is a victory for these terrorist. they must not be feared and life's must not changed as if dose this is a victory for terrorism. freedom of speech is a right for everyone. for me this picture says it all https://twitter.com/SaraAssaf/status/552956000433491968
     
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    The word below says "immortal"
     
  9. Karen_J

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    In addition to all the relevant religious points being made, I want to continue to emphasize the free speech aspect. No matter how things play out, I very much want this battle of ideas played out on a level playing field. I believe that when all things are equal, the right side will always win. We can't allow a situation where fear prevents people from saying what they honestly think about any important matter. There can be no compromise on this point.
     
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    I guess I should clarify - I wasn't referring to one religion in particular.

    Also, I dont think the western world can avoid terrorism unless it can learn to admit its own culpability.
     
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    satire or propaganda instigators? they brought it down upon themselves.. they didnt care whom they offended. they had been warned by the French president some years ago to cool it with the Islam bashing but they didnt listen.. their offices have been targeted before. seems to me, that its more a childish behavior making comics that endanger the common citizens and general public to make a buck on what is basically a bigot comic.. see how far a comic goes bashing negros in the usa, just saying..

    when the bully in the school yard keeps making your momma joke and they go on and kick his ass into a bloody pulp., why bash the kid that finally stood up for themselves?

    offending others has gone far enough, dont you think so you fucking faggots??
     
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    All I can say is that this event is extremely sad and should not be forgotten.
     
  14. MeAgain

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    Us and Them.​
    All organized religions require an in group and an out group. If you belong to the in group you believe it's superior to the out group and you have made a very wise decision to join it ...or else you would not have joined it in the first place. (Or continued to remain in it, if it was an inherited notion.)

    This sets up a dichotomy, a splitting of the whole into two complementary and opposite parts.
    One part is right, the other wrong.

    If you have chosen one over the other, by joining an organized religion, and you believe yourself to be a rational being, then obviously you have made the correct, rational choice.

    The others are simply wrong.

    But it's not enough to realize that they are wrong, they must be convinced that they are wrong. Otherwise how would you know that you are right?
    If they continue to believe that they are just as right as you are...where does that leave you? It might mean that you are the one who is wrong.

    So, since you believe that they are inferior to you, you are justified in using any means to convince them of their error.

    After all God is on your side.​
     
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    Seems a generalisation/oversimplication of reality to me. They (religion or religious person) do not require an 'out group' by default. I am also happy to inform you that I know plenty of followers of organized religion that do not believe they're superior than believers of other religions/ideologies.
     
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    There's a report now that the two Charlie Hebdo murderers have been killed.
     
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    Wasn't the hunt (or the news about it) on tv over there, Sunfighter? It was here (a lot of the time anway). Seemed they fled to a little town above Paris and they were found rather soon, but not directly caught.
     
  18. Karen_J

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    CNN has covered the two hostage incidents all morning. Three terrorists are dead and apparently some hostages also.
     
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    Oh, sure, but I'm at work, just surfing the web for news.
     
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    To post 31- "they brought it down upon themselves." Murder of innocents because of words or images does not compute in my world.
     
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