Fuck Islam

I see, and you are above that kind of thing are you? Lets say we should have the right to criticize then, because insult is such a loaded word.
However, there are still far too many fragile and insecure little egos around who are feeling "insulted" by poems, drawings, art, literature. So to all of them - whatever fictitious religious fable or imaginary friend they believe in - get a fucking grip. Shut up and get on with something useful or enjoyable.

 

I'm curious how many of you have read the Quran? Have close friends who are muslims? Or maybe relatives. How many of you have lived in a Muslim county - and living there as an occupying force isn't really living with the people, sharing food, and experiencing the most genuine hospitality I've ever come across. What happened in France, England Bali Nigeria ect. is a crime. But what these religious freaks are doing to there own people is...well I'm not sure there is a word for it.

 

The word is treachery - its mental illness. People who commit barbaric acts against other people when motivated by twisted ideology are wired up wrong. There are case of fundamentalist zealots coming down and seeing the light. But not many.
I know some Muslims, have travelled a lot, had lovely hospitality. But really, being a Muslim does not make you a nice person (or a bad one) Being a nice person with a bit of intelligence and empathy does that. One should not need a book or a religeon to tell you how to be a decent human being.

 

Who are you speaking to or of when you say far too many? I am equal to what works not above anything. Same thing I suggest for you, why worry about anyone else? Why the comment? They aren't listening to you.

 

There are no good ones IMO. Damn near every problem or mass killing has been Muslim related.

 

fuck terrorism

 

Brad I have read the Quran and I have muslim friends. They tell me that the garbage being preached in the Middle East and in Mosques in America is not Islam, it is hate speech spouted by terrorists who wish to destroy Western Civilization and bring the whole world back to the 8th Century.

 

I'm just disappointed this gets so much media coverage. It just makes the killers famous.

 

This is insane. Do really think the 100,000 or people living in refugee camps are cheering for Al Quid-a and ISIS. Have you read the Tweets coming out of occupied northern Iraqu? Nurse steve I don't know who your friends are but if they'er getting the archaic hate speech from the leaders of their mosque then they are going to some pretty fring places. As I said before what happened in France was a crime (my ex-wife lives in France, and she's Jewish we have no sympathy for those freeks - even if they were brain washed.) The people who are really suffering from all this are the muslims who just want to fall in love, have health kids, follow the 5 pillars of Islam-which have nothing to do with violance of any kind.

 

Sorry steve. I think I misunderstood you. This is very complicated issue and it's the people shouting slogans on both sides that scare me. Your friends are right. But never forget that the people who are suffering and dining everyday are muslims thats just want to live a good life.

 

But never forget that the people who are suffering and dining everyday are muslims thats just want to live a good life.

There isn't anybody that doesn't want a good life for themselves and theirs. There is no other human motive on the planet. There are many ideas about what constitutes a good life but very few practices that address the nature of well being. This is a matter of education then and currently our children are educated to be functioning members of a social system wherein the system dictates what responses should be and what further actions need be taken. On the subject of personal appraisal there is scant little direction provided and what is offered is amorphous moralizing in terms of believing in ideals which in turn leave us faced with recurring ethical dilemmas and obviously hypocritical behavior. I think this process of indoctrination is both secular and religious and needs to end on both counts if we are to have free living and respecting peoples in a world of global communication. The fundamental arrangement of human creature is family or local group and on that basis our protections extend naturally to those things we call our own. The most fundamental group we in fact belong to is the group of living things on this planet.

 

So if you feel that way then mental illness should abrogate the specter of guilt in this situation as we do not find those guilty of their acts by reason of insanity. How many fundamentalists do you know that have been offered light? There is both nature and nurture to consider in regards to any aspect of human development. What is or is not or should not be needed remains always to be seen.

 

That's the one. If we just stopped publicizing it the so called martyrs would have a lot less glory.

 

You reap what you sow.

I doubt whether Muslim extremism would be so rife had we not invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

My understanding of Islam is that it is has a doctrine of peace, as does Christianity.

I believe that the radicalisation of more and more Muslims is a perversion of the faith,
much as all the wars fought in the name of Christ.

But so often the first form of defence is attack.

 

If anyone sincerely thinks "mass murder in the name of [X] is good", there is every reason to believe that they are much more likely to commit such acts themselves. Don't want this guy to blow up your grandkids, or 100 of other people's grandkids? Turn his ass in.

Chances are this guy won't do anything, but he's vastly more likely to commit a terrorist act than the average citizen. I urge you to use the MI5 internet contact form that's available here https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/what-you-can-do/how-you-can-help-us.html

It's lower priority than imminent threat contact, but still meets the criteria described for using the form:

So if you end up reading about this guy blowing up a day care center, at least you'll know you did your part. And maybe you could stop him from doing it.

 

Our presence in the region is making things worse. I mean who wouldn't fight back if drones were dropping bombs on your homeland. That said, the Quran contains 165 verses about holy jihad and the first 200 years of Islam was spread by conquering new territories through force.

 

So... ? There wasn't any?

 

Not every mention of 'jihad' is about war/battling the infidels In fact, it seems the bible for example has more lines about inflicting violence on others. The Quran seems to have not more than 50.

 

My position is not one of political tolerance but of the practical effects of conditions. Defense and attack are both equal constituents to conflict and no one is more noble than the other. It is the commitment that killing or dying is a solution that perpetuates atrocity in whatever name.

 

To Asmo: A lot of the quotes about war in the Quran can be interpreted as spiritual warfare that's true, but some are pretty clearly advocated physical violence. The new testament doesn't have any verses advocating violence as far as I know.