Germanwings Passenger Jet Crashes In French Alps

Being interested in flying myself, commercial jobs, the pilots flying you around from airports, are usually strictly given to military pilots. Maybe it is different in Germany, but having had met some people from Belgium, and France in aviation, it didn't sound that much different. That being said, lying to the military is a huge offense, er rather.. being caught lying. Does anyone know the pilots background for the air bus?

Going through flight school, you'll have to pay an arm and a leg to get a commercial's license, and you'll likely be doing private flights in a cesna, or delivering packages. It is very safe to be in a commercial plane. This wouldn't be headline news if planes crashed frequently

 

There are extreme restrictions on the size of Germany's military in the treaty that ended WWII.

The US seems to produce a big surplus of jet pilots. One time in an airport bar, I talked to an American guy who had just landed a Japan Airlines 747 from Tokyo. He said he flew that route all the time, and about half the copilots he worked with were American citizens also, all ex-military. His home was in the San Francisco area.

Are you asking about the pilot or copilot? Nobody seems to be talking about the pilot, since his only role in the disaster was using the bathroom. The copilot was nonmilitary, with only 630 hours. That's less than 80 eight hour shifts. That could never happen in the US. He would be lucky to be flying tourist Cessna flights at Myrtle Beach.

FedEx and UPS Next Day Air employ a lot of less experienced pilots. Sucky night shift work.

 

Germanwings is a budget airline of Lufthansa Airlines.


I wonder if the ability to offer budget flights is had by using "inferior" pilots and paying them less?


I haven't flown much but when I have I've always used ValueJet.

 

In the US, commuter airlines like American Eagle, which flies a lot of little turboprop planes, pays their pilots even less than FedEx does. So, you're definitely getting the least experienced pilots. I can't say that about our low budget airlines that fly jets, because the free market seems to have established that pilot pay levels are all about the size of the airplane.

Germany appears to be different. That makes me wonder how much variation there is across Europe.

 

why would they allow someone with previously known suicidal tendencies at some point before his aviation career to now all of a sudden fly a commercial airliner? And the doctors knowing about this issuing "excused absences". What is this high school?

 

I was not saying ex military pilots are less capable or something. I was saying here they are not needed to fill up the european job market of commercial airline pilots, because even while its expensive to become one lots of people went that route anyway.
We're not talking about the states here. Maybe there is a difference (not just or primarily the german military restrictions). It could even be that former european military pilots ARE filling such jobs. But probably less than over there because why pay an experienced pilot the full amount when you can hire new pilots that are eager to start paying off their debts for a lot less

 

Holland has a small military, and KLM is a large airline. I'll bet they have a lot of former military pilots from your own air force, from the UK, France, and even the US. People will cross national borders for a job like that, especially when they have a free education for it. Payback on private flying lessons is not very good. Only a few will choose that path until something changes.

 

Look, this is what i reacted to when i said they are not needed:

This is simply not a problem over here. It is not the issue. They don't need to produce more retired military pilots, wether Germany is allowed to or not. As you said yourself, IF german airline companies would prefer ex military pilots they could hire english, french or even dutch ones.

 

Now my computer is working again -

This is a terrible event. And probably the second pilot suicide we've had in recent time. On the basis of what I've seen, and it's been big in UK media, there's no other explanation.

My view is that with this guy, something was missed by the psychologists. Anyone who is ready to kill 150 innocent people is in my opinion a psychopath. Maybe what's needed is more rigorous screening of pilots, who are people we need to be able to trust.

I think this is worse than if Islamist terrorists had brought the plane down, because at lease they think, however wrongly, that they have some kind of cause, some rationale for their actions. This though seems just so wanton.

 

Update: Video found inside Germanwings flight confirms some of the data found from one of the two black boxes. Details of the flight from take-off at 10am to crash at 10:41 on Paris Match

 

Wow. Incredible to try to imagine.

 

CNN says the co-pilot researched ways to commit suicide and cockpit doors during the days leading up to the crash in which he intentionally, manually accelerated the speed of the plane until impact.

Sick fuck.

 

I find it astonishing that they know so much about this guy NOW, when they had every opportunity to know this BEFORE they gave him the co-pilot position. They knew a hell of a lot immediately after the wreck. I just find that a bit interesting, myself. Makes no sense at all to me. Unless....
They found out there was a possible WMD on board and the best way to keep it from reaching it's target is to crash the plane. Plane crashes and they find a WMD, would they say anything? Likely not. And when it's all said and done it's better off saying the CP is a loon that went totally mad-whack on them. Some payback for someone that may have saved thousandds if not millions of lives.

IMO.

 

Logan, why would he lock the pilot out of the cockpit if that were the case?

 

I'm wondering why logan had to bring WMDs into the equation... Seriously?

 

Just another "what if" is all. Not saying he did save anyone or anything, and not saying there was or was not a WMD. Just another option that I havn'tt heeard presented yet.

Of course he could have been totally mad whack, too.

 

"What if" he was given orders to kill himself and 149 other people? Absurd. He would have told the guy on the radio to fuck off.

 

It seems he would not have, since it is more than apparent what he has done so far. Just considering the options. I'm still astonished how much they know about him immediately after the wreck. As if they knew something....
Hmmm.

 

Paranoid.

 

What if a leprechaun made him do it? Just another "what if", that's all.