Kim Davis - Unethical

I know its been said many times before but she really does seem to fashion herself after Kathy Bates in the Stephen King thriller Misery.






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Don't they have Notary Publics in Ohio and can't they perform marriages?

When I got married in Miami it was by a notary who officiated and sent back the license he signed. We never even considered being married by a judge - notaries are so much more plentiful.

 

I know some states allow Notary Publics to officiate marriages. Ohio is not one of those states.

 

Another Ky. clerk refuses to issue marriage licenses
Sep 23, 2015

LIBERTY, Ky. (WKYT) - There is an open Bible on Casey Davis’ desk in the Casey County clerk’s office in Liberty.

“I don’t feel in his word this is a lifestyle that agrees with Biblical principles,” said Davis of same sex marriage.

Davis agreed to an interview with WKYT seeking his reaction to what has happened recently in Rowan County with Kim Davis in her strong stance in not issuing marriage licenses.

Davis says he’s not backing down on his beliefs that marriage between two women or two men is wrong and he will not issue any marriage licenses from the office.

“We’ve had people call. (We've had) E-mails. As far as a same-sex couple coming here, no sir, we’ve not had that,” he said.

The main difference between Casey County, Whitley and Rowan Counties is that Whitley and Casey Counties have not faced a federal lawsuit. Davis says he is prepared to face the heat for that, even going to jail.

“I know at any time, someone could come here and sue. I realize that,” Davis said.

Davis says the ball needs to be in the Governor’s court…or at least the General Assembly’s to fix the problem.

“Our deeply held religious beliefs need to be accommodated for, that is what makes our country as great as a place as it is,” said Davis.

Davis says he hopes state lawmakers will consider those accommodations when they meet in January.

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Where the FUCK is the U.S. Justice Dept.

Did they drag their feet when these same backwater states refused to integrate in the '60s? I know U.S. Marshals escorted black kids to the white schools in some places. Did these ignorant Buybull thumping bigots deny interracial couples marriage licenses after the Loving decision in 1967?

What we are going to need is for some real action, not just slaps on the wrist to stop these religious theocrats from corrupting our secular government? Look to Iran if you want to see how this shit plays out. They are beyond reason so should be removed from office one way or the other.

This asswipe is disobeying the law and should be arrested and put in jail. Why is that not possible? He is standing in the way of ppl's constitutional rights like that asswipe Gov. Wallace in racist days.

Something decisive needs to be done about these ignorant religionist government workers who have no idea of their responsibilities under the law to do their damn job without discrimination.

 

(outta' likes) ---here comes Huckaboo, Cruz, et al. Another hero for hayzoos will get a taste of jail food---hopefully. They just don't get the idea of America at all.

 

If these people do not want a secular job in government, they need to resign the position.

It's that simple.

 

I started reading this thread from the beginning then simply jumped to the end as I only see one side of the argument.

So here is a question for you all.

Kim Davis swore an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States.

I assume we can all agree on that?

My question is: Did she or did she not:

Uphold her rights under the supreme organic law of the land?

I agree that either the first amendment is law or it is not.

 

I did not know there were organic laws, or how they differ from inorganic laws.

But as for the First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;

Kim Davis is free to exercise her religion ON HER OWN TIME.

While working as an agent of the secular government, a court clerk receiving her exorbitant pay from the taxes of all citizens, she is required to do her damn job within the law without discriminating against ppl because of her religious beliefs because our constitution specifically says we are not a theocracy.

 

One can discuss the morality of an act and one can discuss the legality of an act. I notice that people often discuss both aspects as if they were mutually compatible, only to later contradict themselves. For example, one may argue an act's immorality on the basis of it's illegality, only to later give an example of another illegal act for which they imply has positive moral implications.

To avoid such contradictions people might ask themselves if they believe the law has any moral bearing in-itself before speaking of the law and morality in the same context. And of course, this must be in terms of degrees. But to give a couple oversimplifications as examples: One may believe that the illegality of an action automatically takes away, to an extent, the morality of any moral action, and adds, to an extent, the immorality of any immoral action. Or: One may believe that for any action its morality must be determined based on criteria other than the act's legality or illegality.

 

And your point is?

I have broken laws in the past that were ridiculous curtailments on civil liberties and should have never been illegal. I did not flaunt this illegal activity and was aware that I could be put in prison if caught.

The one most of us here have broken was the use of "illegal" drugs or illegal use of prescription drugs.

Also, I broke the "sodomy" laws in several states - even after I was married and did cunnilingus on my wife in Georgia. (NO SHIT - a guy spent 2 years in jail in Georgia for admitting under oath that he ate his wife's pussy). My wife and I also did oral sex in Florida, which was still illegal but they did a new state constitution which probably negated that law so it was never prosecuted that I know of.

These are laws that go against human nature and civil liberties and deserve to be broken and the ppl caught do not deserve to be punished for breaking them. They are Puritan based leftovers that should never have been illegal - and slowly we are getting rid of them. Since 2003 most "sodomy" laws have been deemed unconstituional and laws against mariuana are falling all over the place.

 

My friends happen to be the Archpreistess and High Priest of the Aquarian Tabernacle Church in Index, Washington.

It is one of the first Wiccan organisations to receive full legal recognition as a church in the United States, Canada, and Australia.[1] The church has an umbrella 501c(3), there are 29 affiliate churches in North America, with 3 additional affiliates on other continents and 7 countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquarian_Tabernacle_Church

They will happily, legally marry all same sex couples that ask. They were my religious leaders here before they moved out there.

My religion supports same sex marriage.

Now, I'll ask a hypothetical question:

What if a Wiccan worked in the office of county clerk in Rowan, KY?

Which religion would trump in this case?


I'll also add a quote from the High Priest's facebook page: I am a minister. If I marry you, and then don't turn your paperwork into the state, do you know what happens? Your marriage isn't legal and I get fined. Yeah. I get a fine and you aren't married. If you get married at the court magistrate, and then he doesn't turn the paperwork into a religious leader, do you know what happens? You are still married, because your right to marry comes from the state, not God.


Here is another real life fact that we can put in that hypothetical scenario.

I have gay friends being married by the Episcopalian Church in October.

Episcopalians are Christians, yet the have approved of gay marriages in their churches.

So, if there were a pro-gay marriage Episcopalian in the county clerk office in Rowan, KY, which Christian denomination would trump?

 

the only possible way any religion could trump in any case is proof the government is in fact in the religion business.

Equitable solutions regarding religion are to be made outside the purview of the government and its flag flying courts that rather than keeping the peace serve to cause angst turmoil and animosity throughout the nation due to their disregard for the constitution when there is money to be made and commercial institutions to protect.

 

Anymore answers to my hypothetical questions above?

 

philosophers, theologians, metaphysicists have written volumes with this regard and you think it can simply dismiss everything with a cherry picked definition which is based on common usage rather than the rigors of academic analysis?

From your link:

Whats wrong with using the definition which applies to the topic under review and more closely aligns itself accordingly?

 

Let me choose my words wisely so there is no misunderstanding: I don't give a fuck about your religion.

It's the job of the courts to interpret the law. The Supreme Court has made its decision. The case is closed. It doesn't matter what definition of religion you use, which philosopher or theologian you want to quote, what this or that pastor thinks, or what peoples "deeply held religious beliefs" are. The court has ruled on this issue.

For those who want to continue to argue...tough shit. I don't like every court decision either. You can amend the constitution if you don't like what it says. That's the only card left to play.

 

1) but why would I want to amend the constitution when it already agrees with the point I am making?

Why would I amend something I have no issue with? Are you sure you understand my position here?

So then the supreme dictator has made its religious ruling therefore you expect I should STFU and go away?


So how does democracy and all that shit fit into your scheme of things since you claim we are governed by a dictatorial agency and left empty handed without remedy?