And think about how Occupy Oakland went down. It was squirrely all day, but no worse than previous. Thinking of Oregon, and the types of law presence there, such as park ranger/forest service, whatever, there's a poit where the land itself is what must be protected. Bird habitat is fragile, especially nesting habitat. Birds can be very peculiar about changes, and this scenario, if allowed to continue into spring, could affect populations. There would be pressure on the land steward law presence to DO something. Once an unpaid bill gets this, um, dramatic, what options are there? Payment negotiations and all, but what about punishment for trespassing, destruction of wildlife habitat (cough overgrazing public land cough), etc? What's legal, what's ethical, what's sensible? Can we get this over without bloodshed?
Gettin' a little trollish there, ain'tcha boi?... http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-range-war-20140425-story.html#page=1 "Harry Reid, Nevada's senior senator and the Senate majority leader, branded Bundy's militia "domestic terrorists," while the state's other senator, Republican Dean Heller, called them "patriots."
And I give a crap about what Heller says, because......? I was pointing out the ironic racism on both ends for the unique choice of words like "knee-grow."
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-range-war-20140425-story.html#page=1 "Bundy's public image fell this week after his pointed comments about African Americans and social welfare, suggesting that "the Negro" was made dependent by government programs. He told the New York Times that "I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom." Naw, no racism there.. in fact, he sounds downright sympathetic to "the Negro", doesn't he?
Yeah, that's what Cliven Bundy, the father said. Really, the thread is to discuss if people think the LEOs are giving special treatment because the occupiers at the refuge are white. It's not even about whether the occupiers or their friends and family are racist.
Maybe you should have titled the tread accordingly then, instead of " opinions about racial dynamics..." Or maybe you should have included "any posts I don't like will be chided and/or deleted" Jeeze
It's hardly my fault that you didn't bother to read the intention of the discussion in the opening post.
What if a group of armed African Americans took over a local circuit clerks office in response to harsh treatment of fellow African Americans, and demanded the release of several prisoners who they say have been unjustly arrested. How long do you all think they would be inside the clerk's office before tear gas was administered, and bullets started flying? How do you think the press would characterize the group (as just idiots, or dangerous killers)? Do you think others would be allowed to casually join in? I'm of the opinion that they wouldn't receive the same treatment as the militia. I've read some really good opinions that are pretty much opposite of mine, but none have convinced me to see it their way.
I don't think these kind of people want help from black people. In their opinion blacks and Mexicans do nothing but take advantage of the goverment. But it has come out that most of these men don't have jobs and rely either on their wife's income or their disability check from the goverment. The very same goverment they are protesting. The goverment ran by the "dictator" Obama. If he were really that these men would already be dead. But I think Obama knows enough to understand that if he fights them it gives their movement credit. He just needs to ignore them and let them get sick of waiting. They expected to start a war that would overthrow the goverment and that is not happening. In America most people are laughing at them.
Likely Santilli brought him along for the ride... Santilli like his ratings. He's a fucking moron... from Ohio.
The first time I saw Santilli, about a week ago, he was all like *f*bomb this and mofo that... Then a few days ago he started talking about god and this is a sin - that is a sin... I'm like :dizzy2: then I'm like
He's a tool... He did the whole beard/stach/cowboy hat thing right before he went out there... Jus wantin' to fit in, ya'no...
i didn't think anyone would still talk about a bunch of gun kissers "occupying" a federal wildlife building even a couple days after it happened, guess i was wrong
Bumping this thread because people want to talk about how race may be playing a role and the thread may be hard to find.
Hi. I'm the thread no one wants to post in because they'd rather try to wreck the news thread with speculation. :bigcry: