Clinton Or Sanders?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Sep 18, 2015.

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Who would you prefer as Democratic Candidate for President in 2015?

  1. Hillary Clinton

    14 vote(s)
    18.4%
  2. Bernie Sanders

    62 vote(s)
    81.6%
  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Well I am happy to get it explained to me. I just find it rather hopeless to see supposedly progressive people spending their vote on Hillary goddamn Clinton. I'm sure there's reason to try not to get republicans into place but hey people can vote for Clinton and still get a republican president. How sad is that :p


    And hey (to everyone, not just Tyrson), when it is not all about the president and if the republicans are trying to get a majority into court so they can prevent stuff to their liking why put it like they are the only ones busy with that? Is that really so? If not why are other politicians/parties not busy with it? If that is the problem why cry about the shitty president all the time? Why vote on a shitty president while there's a better candidate. Why do the republicans have a majority in court in the first place? Change that shit if there are enough people that want to (I think they're there)
     
  2. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    ... and the lasting international consequences of all the wars they would start.

    When the Middle East was already as fucked up as most people thought humanly possible, George W. Bush found irreversible ways to make it a lot worse.

    No, the civilized world can't afford another Republican presidency in the US.

    Sanders hasn't lost yet.
     
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  3. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Well you don't have to tell me! I'm not pessimistic if every progressive american votes for him. But really, you still hear too many people settle for Clinton for the reasons stated. I understood you changed to the Bernmeister too though, that's great :)

    And about those permanent jobs, doesn't it works the same when democrats are in charge? So how permanent are these jobs? I assume 4 years max.?
     
  4. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Until death or voluntary retirement. Some Presidents don't get a chance in four years to replace even one member.
     
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  5. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    I mostly agree with asmo...

    But I agree with this as well, a president can inflict a lot of damage in 4 - 8 years.

    I have an aging mother. She'll be old enough to qualify for Medicare next year. She lost her full time job a couple of years ago and works part time now and draws my deceased dad's social security benefits to supplement her meager income. She currently benefits from the affordable care act because she lost her insurance when she was laid off.

    I have somewhat jokingly said I would almost rather see trump as our next president over Hillary because it will be politics as usual with Hillary but Trump will run the country into the ground so much it might actually wake everyone up and realize the damage business minded politicians are inflicting on out country. With the forces of my generation and the next generation combined we could actually see a true political revolution after 8 years of trump.

    I'm young(ish), I have the luxury of waiting it out.

    But then I think of my mom's generation and of another 8 years of pro business conservatism syphoning funds from social security and Medicare and completely dismantling the affordable care act.

    Overall though, I will probably continue my current practice of voting FOR a candidate, be it Sanders or depending on how he fares, an independent or third party candidate, rather than voting against the greater of two evils.

    The ironic thing is my mom's generation has the biggest voter turn out but I feel they also vote against their own self interest more than any other generation.
     
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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I'm voting for Sanders in the primaries but if Clinton gets the nomination I'll be voting for her.
     
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  7. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    If HRC is the nominee and bloomberg gets in the race, I'll vote for bloomberg
     
  8. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    current vote count: Bernie Sanders, 36 votes. Hillary Clinton, 10 votes.


    HILARY CLINTON WINS THE HIP FORUMS VOTE !!!!!!!
     
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  9. Karen_J

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    Don't make a final decision until the election gets much closer, and the polls tell us who has a real chance of winning. Deciding early is pointless. You don't even know what Bloomberg's platform will be, if he chooses to run.

    I can't imagine what she could do or say that would make the Republican Party look better to me.

    I think most Americans have known ever since the seventh grade about the importance of the President making lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court, so we don't feel the need to talk about it online all the time. I know a lot of Democrats who are worried about this situation. There are several older conservatives on the court who are trying to hold on until we have a Republican president, so they can retire and feel confident that they will be replaced by a like-minded person. Liberal justices do this too, so it's very hard to change the balance in a reasonable amount of time.

    There are a small number of moderate justices on the SC, so it's possible sometimes to get a surprisingly liberal decision, such as last year's gay marriage ruling. Most of the time, we see a 5 to 4 conservative vote, but you can't count on this 100% of the time. Two key rulings on ObamaCare went in a liberal direction.

    Historical note: The life term was an attempt by Constitution authors to reduce the role of politics in the Supreme Court, removing the threat of job loss for making an unpopular ruling. That hasn't made the court totally nonpolitical, but I'm not sure what else they could have done.

    Adams and Franklin were two of the primary authors of the Constitution. Jefferson did not get to participate, because his arch rival enemy Alexander Hamilton had persuaded Washington to send Jefferson to France as ambassador, just to get him out of the country. The first ten amendments to the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights, was written by Jefferson upon his return, reflecting all the things he thought should have been in the original Constitution but were left out. They don't mention the Supreme Court, leaving it unclear if he was totally satisfied with what Adams and Franklin came up with, or merely that it was just close enough that changing it wasn't high on his priority list. All ten amendments were quickly and easily ratified.
     
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  10. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    I'm not even remotely entertaining the possibility of voting for HRC.

    It's pretty much bloomberg, sanders, or stay home.

    I'm not so much concerned about what bloomberg's (or any candidate's) platform is. Platforms are campaign promises that politicians only keep if they need to to get reelected.

    What they've done in the past, and who is giving them money is a much better predictor of their behavior than anything else.

    In aspects that I either don't like or am uncertain about, he's no worse than HRC. He's got a pretty strong environmentalist track record (much better than HRC's), and seems generally competent.
     
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  11. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    I feel the Bern. It hurts like hell. Is there a cure for it?
     
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  12. Cannabliss88

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    Thats exactly what I did. I donated what I could to Bernie's campaign given my current financial circumstances. I support Bernie 100% but I still know that at the end of the day he has a lot of work and tons of opposition. This doesn't mean I support him any less I just don't expect him to come down from above and save us all because anyone who knows anything about American politics knows the opposition he will face, even as president, is enormous but that doesn't stop me from supporting him 100% in any way I can.
     
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  13. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Just some FYI

    [SIZE=10.5pt]Below is a tally of how many days candidates have spent in New Hampshire since Jan. 1, 2015.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10.5pt]Democrats:[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10.5pt]-- Hillary Clinton -- 33
    -- Bernie Sanders -- 33[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10.5pt]Republicans:[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10.5pt]-- Jeb Bush -- 50
    -- Ben Carson -- 14
    -- Chris Christie -- 70
    -- Ted Cruz -- 25
    -- Carly Fiorina -- 53
    -- Jim Gilmore -- 25
    -- John Kasich -- 68
    -- Marco Rubio -- 26
    -- Donald Trump -- 25[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10.5pt][/SIZE]


    [SIZE=10.5pt]Hotwater[/SIZE]
     
  14. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    I'm going to add jim webb to the list
     
  15. EventHorizon

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA

    Saturday Night Live really makes my sides hurt occasionally.
     
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  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I must be getting old.....that skit was lame beyond lame...nothing funny about it, Is that the best they can do?
     
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  17. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Ever see an episode of Larry David's Curb Your Enthusiasm? If not, then you might not get the skit.
     
  18. EventHorizon

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    It might feel like soft-serve because I feel like SNL really prefers Bernie Sanders. They can't leave him alone because then their Clinton skits would make them seem biased against her.

    I think it was a great way to poke tasteful fun at a candidate that they probably don't wanna screw things up for. If you're dealing with the underdog tension of supporting Bernie, I felt like it really helped relieve that tension and made me laugh.

    To each their own though! :D
     
  19. Flagme15

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    Then you will give the victory to the republicans.
     
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  20. YouFreeMe

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    Yeah, I didn't think it was that funny either.

    I did enjoy the skit they did of the 1st Dem debate.

    If you haven't seen it...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmwGAd1L-o
     

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