Clinton Vs. Trump

Gary Johnson 2016

 

He was on TV yesterday and spoke well. His party is the only third party that stands a chance of appearing on the ballot in all 50 states in November.

 

From what I heard he will be on the ballot in all 50 states. He's really the best choice of them all. Its really time for a third party anyways. He won't win bc most ppl either dont know who he is or will think that that vote is really giving a vote to the other side. But w that type of thinking there will never be a third party elected. And also judging by who we have to chose from, why not now?

 

He said he's working on it, and thinks it will happen. Not as easily done as you might assume.

 

Ok, ill take your word for it. Some pundit on some network said he was going to be. (Dont remember, I news surf). Maybe that person was just being preemptive. Regardless, most likely he will be and ppl wont have to write in.

 

Johnson's an interesting guy, but I think you'll have republicans voting for Hillary long before you'll ever get democrats voting Libertarian. The first thing Johnson would do is pull the money back from every sort of social program beyond the bare minimum. All the pet projects and boondoggles around the world would come to a swift halt. On the up side, I doubt a libertarian president will get us into any armed conflicts, unless somebody actually invades. I don't think the nation is ready for so much pragmatism.

 

So you and Republican leaders are on the same wave length?

I obviously have a choice. If it's between Trump and Hillary I can vote Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, or write in Bernie. I mean, my choice is who I choose, right?

I just might vote for Trump to spite Hillary and all of her minions, though. People who take glee in telling me I have "no choice".

 

Im having a hard time getting my quote button to work on this phone (need a new one), so in response to georgejetstoned... that would most likely be where the most votes would be taken from, but dont be so sure it would be a huge difference. If you think about certain things-the lack of intervention you mentioned (war) & def pro pot legalisation, then those are things both the left and right can get around. Especially when based on the two main choices. And yes, I know many republicans will vote Hillary this time. You hear quite a few party insiders on the news saying they'll do just that. But they really aren't the only choice. Or they wouldnt be if everyone dropped the "never vote third party, its a vote for other side" idea all at once.

 

I think the 3rd party curse is a dated concept as well. But Perot is usually invoked as draining votes from Bush 1. George "look at my watch" Bush was no match for Clinton in a debate, but there were still a lot of die-hard republicans who would only vote republican. It was not as fluid as it seems to be today. Trump's a prime example though. He probably would have been a winning 3rd party candidate because he would have likely pulled in more democrats than as a republican. But I think Trump knew he could beat the republicans in their own court, and did. Now he faces Hillary alone instead of in a 3-way with Jeb Cruzio. I think people also forget that Perot suspended his campaign when death threats came in. Then he jumped back in and the death threats were made against his family. He finally dropped out entirely and the question has always been which side did it or did they make a pact? Could the establishment REALLY just be a chess game at the same country club?

 

VIEW FROM A BRIT:
I'm far less concerned in Clinton - than I am with the Dangerous Trump

 

You don't have a choice about hearing things you don't want to hear, unless you go into hiding for six months.

 

That's what you were saying I have no choice in? Yes, I agree, there are plenty of things I don't want to hear that I have no choice in hearing. Doesn't make any of these things true or intelligent.

 

Trump is cranking up the mud machine. He's even going after Warren, on her heritage! I wonder if he'll turn back on Obama at some point. After all, Obama is sure taking jabs at him. Personally, I'm very happy to see everyone duking it out. I wish Bernie was more aggressive, but I guess I should have taken a clue when the two BLM girls took his mic and owned his stage. But who knows? Bernie might be sitting on something that blows Hillary and Trump out of the water.

I don't think the traditional tactics, like trying to play the racist/sexist cards on Trump, are going to work this time. All that calling him a klansman and Hitler tripe was also useless and embarrassing. Where's the REAL dirt on this guy? He's a New York billionaire, surely he has several pet mobsters roaming about. Remember all those creepy CIA spooks who surrounded Bush 1? The Clintons need to shake a leg and figure this guy out fast.

 

Whether you like it or not, women and minorities already hate him.

 

Sure, some do. I wonder what the numbers really are. I mean, so many people have been so absolutely wrong about Trump. Really though, I think the GOP was in denial and thought they had their base, white Americans, wrapped around their finger. Trump is a different finger. One the voters are throwing back. Call it a ruptured safety valve, but people have had a lot of time to think about how fooked up things have been under the incumbents. If not Trump, the stage was set for anyone who put the republicans in their place.

Also, it's a shame that "hate" is so readily seen as acceptable in politics.

 

South Park once said every election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
This has never been more evident than now.
Trump is a massive douche, so I guess I'll vote for Hillary and eat shit.

 

I really only have two thing say, yes, I strongly believe back sides are two side to one coin and who knows what goes on behind closed door, but a lot I guarantee. All about keeping the power and money. And the other thing is I agree fully w your post.. the prob is most ppl will remember perot and others and think third party is not an option and a lot of people have to throw that out the window at once. Hard.

 

Realistically it seems like 3rd party is always trotted out when all else has failed. It was early speculation that Trump would have no other choice. But when he finally agreed to the "loyalty pledge" the GOP pulled from their asses, nobody thought it would be used BY Trump on THEM. For me that was the real laughable moment for establishment republican shock and awe. Rules they created to screw others, including Perot, are now biting a bear sized chunk out of the GOP. I have noticed some compiling of Hillary's video from the past into montages against her. I had no idea she was so opposed to gay marriage!

 

Was she? (So opposed to gay marriage). I havent heard the clips but what I do know is she used to have many, outdated, very non-liberal views on many social issues and also has been quite a hawk. (Actually about gay marriage I do remember her and Obama were very against it, just havent heard the soundbites). Hillary will pander to whoever needs pandering to to win and fools pretty much only the liberal elites. And yes, that loyalty pledge was hilarious. Guess you should think before you talk, haha.

 

I remember reading that seventy percent of women, and eighty percent of Hispanics, do not like trump.