Liberal Media’S List Of Societal Victims To Mollycoddle:

Yeah it's kinda funny how Milo can get a lifetime ban from Twitter for writing a demeaning review of the new feminist-remake Ghostbusters movie, and pointing out the flaws of Leslie Jones' character. Yet they don't censor or ban ANY of the black lives matter trolls who make celebratory tweets for murdering cops. Nor do they block the accounts of ISIS members for using Twitter to recruit new members worldwide, and make threats of terrorism. Yeah, like there's no liberal mollycoddling bias there at all. Good to see how Twitter has their priorities straight.

Social Network? No, more like Social Justice Network

 

I too am a great opponent of expanding the definition of rape to include unwanted touch and gawking. It's interesting because that's something fringe-left fembots are most guilty of doing to push their agenda to seperate the sexes by lying to women and vilifying men.

But how about we stop denying the reality that most of these people are not culturally adapting to European culture where women are NOT perceived as 2nd class citizens, and a European culture that doesn't view gays as heathens. Here's a liberal source that shines light on the heightened abuse of women from middle eastern migrants http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/europe/coordinated-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html So how about we stop trying to sweep the Cologne and Rotherham incidents under the rug, m'kay?

Lots of different health experts will argue over the best methodology of diet and routine to get in shape. I like consuming protein shakes after a strenuous workout and they do fine for me.

Need I remind you the fringe crazies who defaced the ad and sent bomb threats were not upset because the ad was misleading for protein, they were upset with the image of a sexy woman under the words "are you beach body ready?" They were upset because they interpreted the ad to say that only perfect healthy female bodies were acceptable for the beach, as they tried their hardest to paint it to be sexist and demeaning toward unfit women. I highly doubt there would have been a similar reaction if it was a sexy perfect male body placed there instead. Now your mayor has placed a ban on sexy women in ads. Do you feel banning sexy women while allowing sexy men in advertisements is OK?

To answer your "fucking question," No I don't agree with slut shaming. I happen to love sluts. If it weren't for slutty college girls, I mightn't have lost my virginity until much later in life.

I merely listed "slut shaming" as an example of a kind of societal shaming that while common, isn't against the law. But now I can see why listing it alongside "Fat shaming" might have led to the misunderstanding.

Well, transgendered people have been using public restrooms inconspicuously for a very long time. It was only in 2016 when it became a nonsensical "civil rights movement."

Wow. Can you name me another major international religion that calls their god by the name of Allah? No of course not. This is another example of the left blatantly being apologists toward extremest Islam groups.

This begs the question: Why do liberals, as self proclaimed champions of women's rights, gay rights, and civil rights, are always sooo quick to rush to the defense of a radicals who advocate sharia law where women are domesticated and gays are thrown in jail? It seems to me the religion of Islam contradicts everything liberalism stands for.

 

None of them actually matter at all.

 

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[SIZE=11pt]Again with the liberal taunt, ok so you don’t like the ‘liberal’ viewpoint things like tolerance and being open to new ideas and supporting things like equality and liberty. But the opposite of that would mean being intolerant, close-minded, and supporting inequality and oppression. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Anyway I’m a leftie and in my view liberal ideas are great but there has to be some ground rules to protect society, groups and individuals. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=11pt]Again with the ALL Muslims, I mean you have already said you like and get on with the Muslims you know, or are you saying they treat women badly and are homophobic and if so why do you get on with them. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]To repeat again I’m not supporting religious intolerance here I’m opposing far right intolerance. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=11pt]I’ll repeat my view on this - as a runner the vast majority of people [male and female] I meet jogging or at races look nothing like those ‘sexy’ people in the ‘sexy’ advert you seem to be referencing and as I’ve said if someone was trying to promote healthy living I don’t think they’d begin with a rather uncharacteristic body shape as an example or try and push dubious protein supplements as some type of golden bullet. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=11pt]So to you those people that you made love to were not lovers and friends only sluts, a derogatory and[/SIZE] offensive term according to my dictionary. Why would you call them sluts or were they nothing to you but a hole in which to lose your virginity.

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[SIZE=11pt]You don’t belive in slut shaming but you call the person you lost your virginity to a slut? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Anyway you seem to be implying you still believe in fat shaming? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]I mean the same argument against ‘slut shaming’ could be applied to ‘fat shaming’[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]I mean again it’s a complex issue - when does a girl or woman stop being in your view sexy (like the women you like in the adverts) and becomes ‘fat’ and needs in your view to be shamed for it? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Also often girls and women are branded ‘fat’ by people that are using subjective bias or dislike I mean one persons fat could be another’s persons normal and another’s sexy. So who decides which girls or women are fat and which not and by what criteria? Is there a general standard, I mean tastes and attitudes have change over time and do amongst differing groups. Is demeaning people the best way to get them on side and willing to change? At what point to you would positive ‘shaming’ become bullying? [/SIZE]

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Latin – Deus,

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French - Dieu

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Hungarian – Isten

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Greman – Gott

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Spanish – Dios

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Greek - Theos

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Arabic – Allah

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I mean if you had a French person say Mon Dieu would you write it down in translation as My Dieu or My God? 

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Why does that beg that question?

I mean one is just about translating one language into another?

And again with ‘the liberals’ anyway as a leftie atheist I’ve never been a supporter of discrimination of anyone on religious grounds but neither do I think the offensive or hateful language coming from the far right is acceptable or helpful either.

As I’ve said before it seems to me that many on the far right are more interested in stirring up hate than in seeking out rational solutions.

 

Threads like this are why I never tell anyone in real life I post here

 

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In what way?

 

LOL if that were the case, then why do I remain HF? A predominantly left message board. I enjoy intellectual diversity and seeing other people's perspectives, even if I don't agree with all their beliefs.

I didn't say ALL, I said MOST. Again, you are reading what you want to interpret from your opponent's posts, and misconstruing.

I get along with my Muslim friends because while they were from a very poor country, they were fortunate enough to have had a multi-cultural education in Senegal, France, and the US. They are very well educated and don't act out in violence at me for being an infidel. They drink like fish, smoke like chimneys, and like to visit strip clubs. One of them eats pork occasionally. They aren't the crazy fundamentalist Muslims who are on a quest to convert everyone or kill anyone outside their culture. I can't say the same thing about the refugees since a lot of them aren't being vetted properly. Many of them probably never left their war torn countries and aren't handling the culture shock of seeing homosexuals kissing in public, or sexy women in advertisements and shit like that.

And I'll repeat that the bomb threats had nothing to do with protesting the misinformation of protein as a type of golden bullet. They didn't like seeing a sexy woman there under the words "beach body ready" and neither did the mayor.

In a way I was exaggerating. But in earlier times, some girls I had flings with were easier than I imagined. I suppose it was unfair to call all those girls sluts (but some were) But yes, I concede to using the term slut that loosely.

It is a subjective issue. For me personally, a person is fat when their size can result in health problems. I understand some people have fat fetishes too, but they are a small minority. Then you have the body positivity cult who indoctrinates young women (sometimes men as well) that they are "healthy and beautiful at any size." This is a lie. If you tell them this garbage they'll grow up being miserable and alone the rest of their life. Studies show that people who don't exercise or eat right are more depressed than athletic people who take care of themselves. You're a runner and I'm sure you're aware of that.

That's fine, you got me on the language part. But what is the Obama administration's need to translate Allahu Ackbar to English? Obviously to conceal the Islamic motivations behind Mateen's rampage.

It begs the question because muslims have been given the gold medal in the left's oppression olympics. Even though Islam goes against everything liberalism believe in.

 

[/QUOTE]After Republican controlled state legislatures made it an issue by requiring birth certificates to use the john! Why did it suddenly become a problem in 2016?

 

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To me it’s not a matter of ‘belief’ in a religious sense it is a matter of if your ideas or arguments seem to stand up to scrutiny or not – so it’s not just a matter of just seeing others perspective but changing your views accordingly if you own seem wanting in comparison.

To me it’s not a matter of ‘belief’ in a religious sense it is a matter of if your ideas or arguments seem to stand up to scrutiny or not – so it’s not just a matter of just seeing others perspective but changing your views accordingly if you own seem wanting in comparison.

I can only go on what you are giving me you began this thread with all Muslims and you even end your last reply with all Muslims but then you say is misinterpretation to claim you mean all Muslims.

OK so it’s not all Muslims well first of all that again means even you think the argument you were setting out in the first post is silly.

Because you know it’s stupid to lump all of a group together and that it’s not Political Correctness or liberal bias that is at fault for criticizing others for doing so.

Next how do you know it is MOST Muslims there are some “1.6 billion Muslims in the world as of 2010 – roughly 23% of the global population”

Are you claiming you know for a fact that most of them want to kill anyone who isn’t Muslim or take away their human rights?

I agree education is usually the key but I’d say that was true with most things such as racism or bullying or being nasty or intolerant to others.

 

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The issue of fat-shaming

Well I’m glad to see that you are beginning to understand that the question of weight is a lot more complex issue that you seemed to think.

 

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OK so you admit I’m right then tell me I’m wrong – sorry that argument doesn’t make sense.

I think you need to step back and try for some perspective – I think you want there to be a conspiracy and so therefore see a conspiracy when in fact all it is some translation.

I despair – you already admit it’s not all Muslims then again claim it is all Muslim, you say I misinterpret you but if you make contradictory statements in one reply what am I supposed to do?

You could try and be clearer?

Anyway again you seem to be trying to insinuate that all left wingers support everything any Muslim has ever done or has been done in the name of Islam.

Which we have already concluded is stupid.

 

Running does not really contribute to a nice physique -- resistance training does. Just saying.

 

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True but we are talking about health

 

I think maybe PR posted in the wrong thread?

But seriously, running is better than xanax! Fuggetabout your stupid physique..running makes you forget all the stressful shit discussed in threads like this!

 

true, it's hard to think about stupid threads like this when your knees, shins, and ankles are extremely swollen and feel like they might just fall off at any point.

 

Underwear

I’d see someone about that; I’ve only had one serious swelling the day after I ran the London Marathon my right knee blow up to twice its normal size.

 

Anyway back to the thread

I think that what some people call ‘mollycoddling’ by ‘liberals’ is nothing more that some people correcting simplistic generalisations, misinformation or downright lies.

The question I would ask is - why are people wishing to spread such things in the first place is it just sloppy thinking or are they doing it on purpose or what?

 

Indeed so

I already told you that I acknowledge there are plenty of outliers. Outliers who don't treat women like 2nd class citizens and have animosity toward homosexuals. Outliers are of course a minority though. I gotta hand it to you though, you really know how to police my words. For an atheist, you're very quick to rush to the defense of a major religion.


Lets take a look at the statistics of muslims in your country (1001 polled)

-100% of British muslims believe homosexuality is unacceptable
-39% of British muslims agree that a wife must always obey her husband
-More than 50% agreed that homosexuality should be illegal
-25% support introducing Sharia Law in the UK
-31% agree that a husband should be allowed more than 1 wife
-1/4 British Muslims say the 7/7 bombings were justified
-25% of British muslims disagree that a muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to the police.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

Notice how not all of the muslims polled felt the same. I acknowledge not every muslim shares the same belief. To tell me that I keep saying all muslims are homophobic mysogynists, it seems to me you are trying to misrepresent me. Yet these stats do show an alarming percentage of muslims in your country have some very fascist views. If they surveyed 100,001 muslims instead of 1,001 would the percentages be much different? I'd like to think it would be lower but I bet it'll stay mostly the same.

When I spoke of muslims in a negative light, I've mostly referred to the ones with fascist opinions like the ones polled in those stats. Hopefully this clears the air whenever I make references to muslims.

I can find common ground with you that fat-shaming is not be the most tactful way of encouraging weight loss. However, I still think it is a much better alternative to the body positivity movement that lies to people with propaganda stating you can be healthy and beautiful at any size. Yet there are still fringe lunatics out there who believe images of beautiful people in ads and media are a form of fat shaming :dizzy2: . If that's fat shaming, then I'm all for it

After the suicide bombing that killed only the killer and injured several more in Germany, here is what a BBC headline read

Syrian Migrant Dies in German Blast

Lots of people skim the headlines and never read the whole article, so this yellow journalism as reading it suggests that an innocent Syrian died in a German accident. BBC has since taken down the article after receiving heavy scorn. It is a conspiracy indeed.

 

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[SIZE=11pt]Are you claiming you know for a fact that most of them want to kill anyone who isn’t Muslim or take away their human rights?[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=11pt]So you do think most Muslims want to kill anyone who isn’t Muslim or take away their human rights?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]As I’ve said to me education is probably a lot better route to take than scaremongering or insulting people. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=11pt]And as I’ve said I’m not defending Islam I’m opposing often far right ideas that are about scapegoating and spreading hate by targeting a group. [/SIZE]

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As a gay British Muslim, this is what I think of the poll finding over half of UK Muslims want homosexuality banned
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-a-gay-british-muslim-this-is-what-i-think-of-the-survey-finding-over-half-of-british-muslims-want-a6978881.html

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[SIZE=11pt]This is the bit on Sharia Courts – There have been two recent flare-ups of the sharia courts and "parallel Islamic law" scare story. In 2011, a bill was tabled in parliament to address concerns over sharia arbitration, and in early 2014 solicitors were allowed to draw up sharia-compliant wills, leading the Sunday Telegraph to pronounce that "Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs".[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Since 2009, there have been sharia court investigations by the Independent, the Telegraph and the BBC. The political momentum against these courts is primarily from Baroness Cox, a crossbench member of the House of Lords and self-proclaimed "voice of the voiceless" Muslim women, who she claims are being victimised.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Of all the Muslim threats, this seems the most potent. It actually has "sharia" in the name. UK law has some scope to acknowledge the customary or religious laws of both Jews and Muslims. But going by the coverage, it would seem it is only Muslims that have both demanded and been granted exception. On closer inspection, it is clear sharia courts only have jurisdiction on civil matters and everyone must opt in to a sharia court. They only have an advisory capacity and address mainly property and financial matters, and rulings are then only enforceable by civil courts. In many cases, they are understaffed affairs, where one official settles petty disputes and draws up rudimentary documents.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]The creeping sharia courts' "astonishing spread" was first reported by the Daily Mail in 2009. At the time, there were reportedly "no fewer than 85". In the most recent Daily Mail report on the issue in 2014, the number was, despite the warning about the pace of change whereby Islamic law was cannibalising British secular law, still "no fewer than 85".[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Similar Jewish courts are in daily use in Britain, and have been for centuries.[/SIZE]

 

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. If that's fat shaming, then I'm all for it

[SIZE=11pt]Again you seem to be contradictory – you say that fat-shaming is not be the most tactful way of encouraging weight loss – but I thought you wanted people to be healthy that it wasn’t about weight loss per se (and you still haven’t said anything about your hard drinking and smoking friends).[/SIZE]

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