Sex As A Coping Strategy

In many other threads she has stated that she does have numerous medical issues that could very much influence a situation like this thread speaks of. Post #9 is far more explanatory than the original post.

 

Why is everyone getting so uptight about Old Tiger's bag, man.

Back in the day---this is exactly what many hippies would tell you.

He brought a message of love and peace, and frankly, I read some of the comments and I thought they were a bit harsh, even if, by some people's standards, or by the status quo, TheSamantha does have issues. In fact, even more so if she does have issues----words can cut.

In that typical hippie fashion that tries not to attack anyone, but tries to bring peace and love into a situation----that's what he did. Was that really so wrong?

Maybe we are not cool anymore-----but there was a time when we were. In fact, compared to the conservative uptight pent up culture we came out of we were very cool----we were the Ubermensch----Nietzsche's Superman---we were exactly what Nietzsche described in his first book, the savior of modern culture. We saved mankind from the 1950's.

I fear that our message, and our time is gone.

I didn't realize how different the world had become until I went to a Canned Heat concert about 8 years ago. A lot of old Colorado hippies came out of the woodwork for that, and for a moment, it was like being back in the day----the love, the caring, the peace. I thought maybe I was making it up until my son remarked on how friendly and loving people were----and the kindness from strangers. He was maybe 13 or 14 at the time but even he saw, and was even amazed at, how different it was.

We weren't perfect. We caused trouble in our own way. Someone could argue that peace and love were more of an ideal than a reality-----but hey---many people agree Woodstock was the most peaceful and loving gathering of such a large crowd of people ever.

And here I wasn't even there at the early stages. By the time I came along (as more of the tail end of the baby boomers) the 'hippie style' was pretty much already defined and commercialized. But in the beginning---in San Francisco---everybody had their own thing, and you were respected as the individual you are whether you wore vintage clothes and looked like you stepped out of the Wild West, or you wore painted clothing, or dressed straight laced, or even wore the most outlandish crazy and stupid thing you could think of. Letting your 'freak flag fly' had a real meaning to it! Even if you had issues-----we all have issues of some kind...

And you know---sex as a coping strategy, sex as a hedonistic ecstacy, sex as a way of sharing love, sex as a tool to use others, sex as a pathetic cop out, or even sex as a means to act out a perverted fantasy----who cares man, we all do it.

And was this a plot to start a pornhub fantasy (as one comment suggested)? Yeah, I can dig that. And if it turns a direction I don't like----I'll just stop reading and look for another one. Or is it a way of seriously coping? I dig that too---and I would hope people don't write that off. The real problem with sex, as indigenous people the world over teach us, is not how perverted it is, or how promiscuous it becomes, or how it might threaten our own conservative, or Western-traditional standards-----it is all the hang-ups we have with it!

Anyway Old Tiger, it is sad that we no longer fit into this world-----we are just relics from the past---even on Hip Forums...




...but the saddest part of all is that in a world where Islamophobia and all the related xenophobic hatred it inspires shapes Continental Europe, where the xenophobia and Bigotry surrounding Brexit shapes the UK, and where Trump is igniting and fueling the fires of xenophobia and racism in the US, and where this very hatred, conservatism, and right-wing violence is even spreading into South East Asia and all the corners of the world, at a time when the Dionysian ubermensch, and its message of love is needed the most----the Apollonian forces are clearly in control-------and the youth---the ones who should be stepping up to fight against these forces of decadence and doom, are all engrossed in a fantasy---an X-Box and PlayStation created alternate reality.

Love and ideology has been replaced with cold-hearted objectivism. Perhaps there is no more bringing people together in love. Perhaps it has become every man and woman for him and her self, and judgement, conformity, and criticism are the rule ofthe day. This time it may surely be the end of Modern Culture...

 

@Mountain Valley Wolf..I treasure your posting..it's exactly what i think as well...
the fact that i got lots of pics from raves and pictures with chicks does not mean i have sex with them,is it?
the postings they did here directed towards me do not touch me at all...whether i am a pervert in the real sense==NO..
but i'm not an angel either..Wolf put it in the right context...he got the power of the word..great dude..who still got the real values..
I'll be on the road again tomorrow towards Borneo(Sarawak)where i am invited to an Iban wedding..
not traditonal Iban,but Anglican...I will take lots of pictures and post them in my blog..
very much off topic posting of me...oh Piaf...oprosti me...
thanks for this posting,Mountain Valley Wolf..

 

Yeah, but its just the same kind of thing, most of that post just ends up sounding like your group is better than other peoples groups.

And you started it off with "TheSamantha does have issues"

She does? More so relative to you or me? Says who?

Maybe she just likes to let it all out here, and actually has the same amount of issues as the rest of us, or less even

Do you think she actually believes she is less well adjusted than you, me or anyone else in this thread?


The example you gave about the Canned Heat concert, yeah sure at one event when they are in party mode and they know they are only going to know you briefly, sure they are all friendly.....but get to know them day to day, for a longer period of time and all the usual stuff will surface; it will just be mostly about what people can do for them, whoever disagrees will be outcast, any excuse to eliminate persons too threatening, those that tell the others what they want to hear more likely to be welcomed to the group, at least initially. And all those interactions as always, based on peoples appearance way more than anyone ever wants to admit

SSDI : Same Shit, Different Incarnation


On to what you said in this paragraph in particular:

You mentioned Sth East Asia, the current badass "xenophobic" Phillipino President got in, because the locals were fed up to the teeth with the strangehold organized crime had on the country, and corruption, and foreign influence.....and well, he is right. More xenophobic is the way to go with that countrty, every body tries to take advantage of them

Peace love and mung beans, allows some of us in the first world to pretend we can live an alternative lifestyle, as long as we dont have to deal directly with those that end up paying for it, can bury our heads in the sand with the harder issues like child trafficking, poverty, war etc....oh, dont talk about that, you'll kill my buzz man. Its all artificial though, everything, from the hemp clothing, to the chemicals used for tie dye, to every little product they use when back in the real world with their ordinary jobs.....all comes off a whole lot of poverty and suffereing in the other 2/3 of the world.

Quote Nietzche because your first year philosophy professor told you he was cool, but then buy most of your stuff from places like wal-mart because everything is so cheap there

 

There you go again

I didnt call you a pervert, I did even say anything about sex

But you focused on that.

What do you think women will think that means?

Doesnt have to have to do with anything about sex

But, Dont go pretending its peace and love to all man/womankind regardless of their age or appearance, if it never is. Some of us are not idiots

 

Please re-read what I said---I did not say she has issues, I said: "...EVEN IF, by some people's standards, or by the status quo, TheSamantha does have issues. In fact, even more so IF she does have issues---words can cut." (I capitalized the key words for emphasis). And later I stated that we all have issues. I am not judging her or even suggesting that she has any issues---I am merely responding to the reasoning of those who are doing so.

As I said, we weren't perfect either and had our issues. Life was a daily drama, and as I said, it may have been more of an ideal than a reality. You could show up to a commune and be welcomed with open arms, or be shunned as an outsider. Drugs created a lot of tensions and heartache... We could go on for hours about the bad things that happened in the 60's and 70's. Nonetheless, you could have showed up in Haight Ashbury (before they became overwhelmed) and would have no problem finding a crash pad, or a place to be taken in, the Diggers and the others would have made sure you were fed. I was using the example of 1 concert that reminded me of a feeling, of a respect and a philosophy of peace, love, and happiness that is now gone. It wasn't a feeling or the expression of an ideology that happened once in a blue moon. It was a feeling that was around-----despite people's actual rudeness or any aggression that happened to arise. Remember, we were trying to accept all people, even our Nation's enemies, at a time when racism was natural, and even institutionalized. I could go on----but for what purpose----if you don't know what I am talking about, if you didn't experience it, then the point is moot.

This is a whole nother thread----if you want to argue Philippine politics----I would love to. I spent 5 years in the Philippines. But I spent several decades observing Philippine politics. I have a unique inside view to it----my wife is related to General DeVilla who was Aquino's right hand man (the widowed mother not the son), a confidant of Ramos, and ran for president after Ramos in order to continue his legacy. He didn't win the primary precisely because he is so anti-corruption and is disgusted by dirty politics. She is distantly related to Aquino's Vice President Laurel---who was a constant thorn in Aquino's side. His dad freed Marcos from prison for the assassination he committed, paving the way for him to become the eventual president/dictator, and who's wife ordered the hit on Aquino's husband). My son's Godfather is part of a political dynasty in Manila, and another Godfather is a member of another dynasty---a Senator who was above much of the corruption---though not free of scandal (it is the Philippines after all). So I've seen things and know of things that many Filipinos do not even know, or that is a matter of speculation.

The only organized crime presence in the Philippines is a foreign presence, such as the triads and the yakuza-----they have no stranglehold on Philippine government. There is a drug problem, there is lots of corruption. Foreign influence is a complicated subject, and some of what is labeled such is a matter of racism against the Filipino-Chinese. And most of where foreign influence is a problem is a matter of economic neccesity. What shapes Philippine politics is to a large extent tribal dynamics and a continuing power of centuries old chieftains. Are the people fed up as you say? Is Duterte different? More than anything Duterte's rise to power is the same dynamic as Trump. There are lies, deceipt, a move to the right, stirring up of hatred, fear, and xenophobia, the parallels are considerable.

Yes there is something to what you are saying. But it doesn't change anything I said. My generation did fight and take a stand for various oppressed people of the world. We took to the streets and fought for Cambodia and Laos. We protested for the Viet Cong (who were in fact the peasants of South Vietnam who had their land taken by the French and were being further oppressed by a US puppet government (Diem)), and others. I could go on... Your comments apply more to the youth of Generation X and the youth today who call themselves hippies.

First year Philosophy covers Greek philosophy in every university I know of. I quote Nietzsche because I am well read in Nietzsche, along with Sartre, Heidegger, Kierkegaard, Husserl, well actually the list could go on and on. I don't agree with all of Nietzsche, but I certainly agree with his assessment of the Modern Age, and I think that his recognizing a Dionysian and Apollonian dynamic at work in culture is genius. I have watched it play out in the business world----and it is happening all around us in cultures around the world. Read Nietzsche's first book---I can't think of the title off hand----and look at it as a description of the hippies vs the establishment------the parallels are amazing. I wrote a piece on this---I don't know if I ever shared it on the forums. I do not say that hippies were the ubermensch lightly, I can strongly defend that position.

Yes, and every time I write to defend someone who brings a message of love and peace it will probably sound that way.

But we need a counterculture to stand up and once again play this role----bring that value of the individual back, teach peace and love... This is a pop culture theme that is popping up everywhere---the Hunger Game franchise, the Insurgent franchise, the Lego Movie, the superhero franchises, music----it is all over the place.

SO as much as it sounds like an our-group-is-better-than-your-group thing, it is also a call to stand up to your group, and any group that will stand up and save our Modern Culture.

 

think its time I order me a new hippie decoder ring..

 

You'll need 3 Malt-o-Meal boxtops

I was thinking back on my previous response to you and I had to laugh!

I really commend you on picking up on my reference to the Philippines. Unfortunately there are probably way too many people who wouldn't even know that much about global politics
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I laugh because it is unfortunate for you that of all the people you choose to debate such things, it was me----even of all the forum members who have Filipina wives, or even the few members who are from the Philippines, it had to be me.

Or, on the other hand, of all the countries that this could have happened in---it had to be the Philippines. If it was Thailand, Papua New Guinea, Indonesia or any number of other South East Asian countries---I wouldn't be so knowledgable.

I spent 15 years in Japan, including time as a Securities Analyst for Shearson Lehman, yet I cannot speak on the Japanese government with such authority (the economy---now that's a different matter---and having a front row seat to watch the Japanese credit crisis unfold helped give me incredible insight into the US credit crisis. And I have to give credit to the Japanese Market for teaching me so much on identifying market turns...)

My wife's family is very well connected. Joining the American Chamber of Commerce in the Philippines added to that. Then there was the nice neighborhood we lived in which had its share of wealthy and influential people. Being a foreigner with a very beautiful wife helped, and then of course there is her wheeling and dealing, and her sense of power and influence in Philippine culture. My name cards from Shearson helped---which listed me as Vice President (boy did those come in handy when companies did us wrong.) But most of all there was her family connections. We spent more than one weekend at the beachhouse of the head of the NBI (the Philippine version of the FBI) for example, and he later became Mayor of Manila. I don't think I have ever stood in line in Immigration going in or out of the Philippines. I'm always escorted through and my passport is never checked, just stamped. If we ever had a court case that didn't go as planned----we were friends with the one who was responsible for funding to the courts, and boy he could sway judges... I could go on.


But----I do stick to topics which I am very knowledgable about anyway-----kind of like with my son, he would always try to make bets with me, but I only made bets on things I knew (and I told them that many times----but he still insisted and always lost...)

 

Ummm, ok, ????


You didnt seem to say anything about filipino politics there, or a rebuttal, just your resume, although we are getting way off topic

Credit crisis seems to be happening the world over - although that would be yet another thread as to why its inevitable

And Duterte comparisons to Trump, there also seems to be a rise in nationalism the world over too

But you are right, I dont think there are many here that care about such topics, outside their own country anyway

 

I think you missed my first response to you----post #26.

And about the rise of Nationalism and the shift to the right---that was my point.


But yes---this is getting off topic----I'm sorry TheSamantha

 

Well, THAT escalated quickly.

 

Thanks to those who stood up for me. It's a shame that you can't say anything you want even on the damn Internet. Besides, this section has depressed and suicidal people. A bunch of people here are too busy trying to be so very cool, like Farcebook. I'm genuine. The Internet is the air I breathe. I can't have debates about hot button issues offline, especially not racism, because people get pissed off and I get mentally discombobulated. Exactly what you see of me here is exactly me in real life. I thought this was family, like in the glory days. Maybe...maybe there were bitchy women in every commune.

I don't hear voices. There's nothing wrong with me. I'm just too creative, so sometimes when I get bored and lonely, due to not being around enough interesting people, I daydream, but being creative, it turns negative. Then I react. I search, for a way to feel "okay" with it, like I "dealt" with it, like all is right with the world. Anyways, I feel better now.

 

Daydreaming is normal in our daily behaviour..as long as we can see it in a positive light it is o.k,the moment it turns bit a different way due to circumstances..it is not anymore..i agree with the Samantha and Wolf about the fact that the true hippie values have turned into something totallydifferent then they should be..i love arguments and discussions..but the moment they turn into negativity i rather turn my back to it,i sometimes have been thinking of leaving this forum..but i did not..
I am not going further in this matter..i reckon it is off topic or not relating to the heading of the thread,and some folks on here twist and turn every sentence upside down..and it leads to misunderstandings,frustration..