veggie diet but not veggie lifestyle

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by squawkers7, Jan 9, 2005.

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  1. Claire

    Claire Senior Member

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    I care... I feel it's important that people get that animals lives are important and they aren't just here to serve us for food, clothes whatever.

    I am happy they don't eat meat, don't get me wrong...

    But I don't have much more respect for them than meat heads if they don't see that eating meat / wearing leather / using products tested on animals is ethically wrong.

    :)
     
    Claire, Jan 11, 2005
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  3. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    if they are wearing skin, they are not sparing sentient eyeball life.
    I guess I'm more concerned with outcomes than methods.
     
    drumminmama, Jan 13, 2005
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  5. Claire

    Claire Senior Member

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    me too:)

    but, it's also important for us all to understand our actions fully. How else will we progress?

    It's great that people don't eat meat... but if they don't understand and embrace the ethics behind it how will it benefit human kind fully?.... and long term all animal kind?

    The outcome maybe that someone stops eating meat which saves 95 animals a year (arguably) which is great:) ..... but we really need to get our human heads around the whole issue, not just the the outcome...

    If we don't address the route causes as to why we as humans feel it ok to use animals.... we really aren't moving forward much at all....

    Stop eating meat for sure:) .... but let's open our minds up and make it an ethical and lifestyle decision, not just a health benefit...

    Love Clairexxx
     
    Claire, Jan 13, 2005
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  7. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    while I like your idea, if vegans got on the high holy all-or-none train, they would be well focused on the root of the problem but we'd have more omnis.
    The goal of animal liberation, I think, is to have animals left alone.
    Again, I am results oriented and if a person wants to give up fur because it is gauche, meat becasue it makes you fat and milk because it makes snot... well, the critters benefitted. again, just my view.
     
    drumminmama, Jan 14, 2005
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  9. Claire

    Claire Senior Member

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    I agree, if animals are saved that is the most important thing short term:)

    But i will still push the issues behind it too for the sake of the long term... as I am sure you do:)

    p.s. i don't get on a high holy all or none anything... it dosn't mean i daren't be honest and say I don't agree with meat heads though... ;)
     
    Claire, Jan 14, 2005
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  11. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    start with losing insulting language like meathead.... people won't listen to those who put them down...you know that... Stephen Stills (Crosby Stills and Nash and sometimes Young) says "if we can do it with a smile on our face and LOVE IN OUR HEART, children, then we don't have the right to do it at all because we are supposed to be some kind of different."
    I grew up with those words and I beleive he is right.

    I personally support sustainable agriculture. The chances of the human species evolving spiritually out of omni-ism in my life time is small. I 'm looking larger: how to have less damage to the precious earth and then the animals.
    Without the planet, no one has a place to live, exploited or not.
    So, the step at a time method really is the beginning of the journey of 1,000 miles.
    I am encouraging every person to take THEIR next step, not necessarily mine with me.
    Make some sense?
     
    drumminmama, Jan 15, 2005
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  13. Claire

    Claire Senior Member

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    Meat head to me is a jokey term. Just like Metal head for people that are really into metal music, Dub head for people that are really into Dub Reggae or Petrol heads for people that are into cars.

    They are all terms widley used in the UK.

    I understand entirely what you are saying and have listened, it seems to me you are just picking an argument with me where there isn't one.

    Most of my spare time is spent encouraging people to open their minds. protesting, living a more cruelty free lifestyle.

    I am passionate and honest about my views, most of my friends are meatheads, sorry meat lovers and we get on just fine.

    You do bring up some very good points Drumminmamma but you are preaching to the converted here:)

    Take it easy, Claire
     
    Claire, Jan 16, 2005
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  15. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    meathead was a common insult in the 60s-70s in the us. Made very open by a telly show "All in the Family" where Archie Bunker used it instead of the equally derogatory Pollack for his daughter's husband, Mike Stevic.
    "Head" as in Deadhead, phish head, spread head (WSP) isn't, and I well remember the rivet/metal heads, acid heads and pot heads.
    Would "shithead" be an endearment in the UK today? It wasn't when I lived there.

    back to the thread... it is acceptable to most people to be into the diet and not the lifestyle. Lots of long-term veggies started out on reducing diets or a simple fad with teh friends that took.
    Some are on the diet for ethical/religious reasons (Hare Krishnas/ISKCON, some Buddhist sects, even Jews who don't want to deal with kosher) but leather or milk are OK. That's their call.
     
    drumminmama, Jan 22, 2005
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  17. Kiz

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    I think meat head is a little rude. But my now-ex took great offense at the term "omni". He didn't like the way it was used in a derogatory way at all.
     
    Kiz, Jan 22, 2005
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  19. peacelovebarefeet

    peacelovebarefeet BuRniN oNe...

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    dumminmamma, i like what you are saying, espiecally the quote "if we can do it with a smile on our face and LOVE IN OUR HEART, children, then we don't have the right to do it at all because we are supposed to be some kind of different." thats just wonderful!!

    and a while back, some said something about walmart.. what does walmart have to do with being vegetarian?????

    people, think of it this way, even if people DO eat fish, but not beef, pork and alla that, think of the animals they are saving JUST doing that!
     
    peacelovebarefeet, Feb 1, 2005
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  21. Claire

    Claire Senior Member

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    "Shit" is an offensive word in it's own right so when teamed with "head" is an obvious insult. Very different to teaming inoffensive words such as "pot", "metal" or "petrol"... but I am sure you understand that very well:)

    You lived in the UK? Come back and visit us sometime;)

    Every little counts... however, how can someone have love in your heart then go kill an animal or eat it / wear it's skin?

    Fair enough they may have love and respect for certain living creatures... but not all of them.

    I think the reference to Walmart may have been referring to the wider issue of an ethical and cruelty free lifestyle as a whole.

    Love Clairexxx
     
    Claire, Feb 3, 2005
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