U.s. Tanks Roll Into Germany To Protect Against Potential Russian Invasion

Remember that time grandma said to grandpa "what did you say?"
Then grandpa responded "I didn't hear you"
Then grandma said "why didn't you answer my question?"
And grandpa said "I didn't hear the first question, why are you asking a second one that I didn't hear?"

Yeah those were good times.

 

Contradicting yourself has become the new norm and our new reality TV star misogynist-racist grandpa president ignores whatever he doesn't want to hear, while spouting vitriol with the best of them.

 

Not that the Russians have a grip against Germany or anything.

 

New tanks have made their way to Poland and the Poles are grateful for a chance to finally welcome NATO forces. This could become the new norm with the US attempting to contain Russian aggression at the same time they provoke them.

 

Seems like an old norm to me

 

This is the first time NATO forces have occupied Poland, they are redrawing the lines in the sand closer to Moscow.

 

I was talking about the US's attempt. But NATO has been active in east Europe for quite some time as well. So now there are forces in Poland exercising and showing their balls to the russians. Like the russians like to do with their army all the time. Doesn't mean it is going to invade any time soon. Same with NATO of course. If the NATO or US would want a military conflict for whatever reason they would have aided the UKraine. But they do not want that. Not in Poland or the Baltics either.

 

The US pays half the costs of NATO and half the costs of the UN. We are NATO which would not exist if the US were to withdraw and which is also the reason that Russia is so anti-NATO.

 

Yeah, I acknowledge Russias frustration about the US taking a main role in the NATO. I and many other europeans don't like it either. Does it mean war between them is inevitable and soon to come? Because Russia's gonna invade the baltics or Poland? No.

Did you forget btw? Or can't be bothered anymore? It's ok.

 

I wonder where Trump's talk about withdrawing from NATO will lead. Does he mean it or is it just rhetoric meant to appeal to his supporters?

Time will tell. Britain and France have nukes, so maybe that would deter Vlad in any expansionist agenda he may (or may not) have.

If it did come to a conventional war, I don't think Europe would last long.

 

Europe should not even want to depend on the US army. I understand the appeal of spending as little on your country's military as possible, esp. when we're in a cosy spot like the Netherlands, but it doesn't make sense to let the USA compensate for it.
Putin may like to resort to dubious and undemocratic practices but he's not stupid. He knew he could take Crimea after the referendum, so Russia took it. He knows invading other european countries is retarded, so it is extremely likely they won't.

 

I agree that Europe shouldn't have to rely on the USA. It would probably be better to have a unified European army. Every Euro country should pay their fair share. That of course depends on maintaining a united Europe.

The way Boris is talking now, may be we'll end up using our nukes on the French - well, perhaps not, but I don't think the whole Brexit thing is going to help any kind of integrated European defence strategy.

I don't know what Russia intends to do. I hope that you're right and they don't have designs on getting back some of the territory they lost with the end of the Soviet Union. It seems that the world order is changing - what we used to take for granted we can no longer.

 

Europe can cry alligator tears all the way to the bank as they always have. Napoleon was the first to show them the value of a modern military-industrial complex, but instead of getting their shit together they merely wasted their chance inevitably leading to WWI and WWII.

The US is the wealthiest country in the world and its largest manufactured export is weapons, yet, we only sell some 40% of all the weapons in the world because the demand is that high. The Pentagon alone spends more money in a year than most countries make and Europe would have to spend decades just attempting to catch up on the technology and manufacturing ability and, of course, they would fight among themselves over which country gets what aspect of the business. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows and who values wealth more than their own security like a drug addict looking for their next fix. Of course, if Europe did start looking after their own interests we would abandon them making their attempts to catch up all that much more difficult.

 

"Winter is coming" indeed - Seems; like the seasons, the wheel of history revolves and the breeze of another Cold War is a stirring

 

The cold war never ended, this is merely the sequel that's been building for a long time. As superpowers go, Russia has no choice but to use brute force to get whatever they need and want and the US has no choice but to oppose them and attempt to contain them. Only something like the next scientific revolution could possibly change their dysfunctional relationship which obeys the time honored principle of my enemy's enemy is my best friend, while those caught in the middle are everyone's enemy.

 

Sometimes it is not solely on Russia or the USA. If none of those territories would have been admitted to the EU Russia would probably be less annoying and not as difficult as they are acting now. I mean wasn't it agreed upon after the collapse of the USSR that those territories would remain some kind of buffer zone and free from either 'sphere of influence'. I think the EU is doing ok in regards to Ukraine (its not planning to annex it any time soon like it is often portrayed) but countries like Romania and Hungary should not have been allowed to join (for many reasons).

Meh.

You are repeating yourself.

 

As are you, talking about what Europe should do when they have never done such a thing in history and show no desire whatsoever to do so now. If Hitler had shown some restraint instead of being the pig he was, the US might have let him conquer most of Europe and bring a little order to the mess for awhile.

 

The idea of the EU annexing anywhere is really ridiculous. Agree that some countries shouldn't have been allowed to join. But there are other problems with some countries in Europe, mainly economic. Maybe they went too quickly into the Euro, but I do see why it was done. That's getting off topic I'm afraid, but it is a factor in European affairs in general. Countries like Greece, Italy or Spain would find it very difficult to pay out more for defence for instance.
With powerful economies on every side, I think it's inevitable that places such as Ukraine would fall under one sphere of influence or the other.

 

Let's just hope that 'cold' doesn't become 'hot'.

 

Just because we can see why it was done, does not make it a good decision But I agree, lets not get into that here without a proper point or connection to this thread topic.

Ha yes, lets keep it real: there are worse things than another cold war. If that's what is ment with winter is coming, well let it be that way. I was picturin an invading army from the north :-D