School Shooting in Broward County, FL

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  1. Aerianne

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  3. Meliai

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    And yet homemade bombs, cyanide, and using any sort of weapon on a plane are all illegal.

    Particularly in the case of the box cutters, we didnt spend years sending out thoughts and prayers after 9/11. Security was instantly tightened and made it almost impossible to sneak any sort of weapon on a plane now.

    Its almost as if people routinely choose guns as their weapon of choice because of the ease at which they can legally obtain and use a gun.....
     
  4. Aerianne

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    Probably because they offer the most bang for the buck.
     
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  5. NotMyRealName

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    I never said we don't need gun control. I support gun control. Even so far as to limit what a law abiding citizen should be allowed to own.
     
  6. Asmodean

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    Godless society has: need for metal detection ports at schools. A flourishing bulletproof backpack trade. Schools investing in bulletproof schoolboards your kids can hide behind rather than the people accepting the simple fact that their gun culture is what made society like this. We over here don't have need for any of that. I'm so glad I'm not in a godless society like you.
     
  7. MeAgain

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    I really don't like responding to this, but.....
    Let's start with the beginning,

    Evil people are resourceful and will commit evil no matter what laws are in place. Therefore we don't need any laws as they don't work anyway.
    Really? Using that logic all laws are useless. Run that red light.

    Gun control is the only answer. Who said that?

    Schools should be fortified (as the only answer).
    Metal detectors. As evil people are resourceful, metal detectors will not stop evil people from getting guns into schools if they so desire. They will make it more difficult, but not impossible. Even if they do what's to stop shooters from attacking windows, playgrounds, bus staging areas, and outside events? AK 47s have an effective range of 380 yards.
    Effective metal detectors initial cost is about $4,000 to $5,000 per unit, or door and must be manned.
    That's for one door, and only during instructional hours. This type of system would also be needed anytime the school is open, such as for sports, plays, faculty meetings, open house, construction, etc. as weapons could be introduced at those times to be used later.
    The video is suggesting we do this for every educational building in the U.S. And remember at least one of these operators must be armed and they only work two hours a day yet need to be provided a living wage somehow for the entire 8 hour workday. They must be trained initially and ongoing. There are 98,817 public schools in the U.S., that's 9 times 98,817 or 889,353 individuals at 88,935,300 additional man hours per week.

    Armed guards. To start, I haven't seen an armed guard at every bank, jewelry store, or place were anything valuable is kept, like a car dealership for example. Why? They're expensive. He wants armed guards in every school in the U.S. There are 98,817 public schools in the U.S. Not counting private schools, E through 12. Assuming one armed guard per school we would need far more than 98,817 trained, certified, and competent individuals be kept up to date as we must allow for substitutes due to illness and other factors which would require substitutes. And remember theses individuals need to be trained, paid a living wage, and be given healthcare, etc.
    And let's not forget evil people are resourceful, so they take out the guard first, pull a fire alarm, start a diversion somewhere else, etc.

    Arming teachers. There are about 3.2 million public school teachers in the U.S. Again teachers must be trained initially and on an ongoing basis. Weapons must be secured from theft and forcible removal by a student or group of students.
    Teachers must be protected from lawsuits. Let's assume a student pulls a toy gun from her backpack and aims it at a student or teacher, if an armed teacher panics and fires at the student...then what?
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    The rant. We are the evil. How do we combat our evil selves? Put more guns in the hands of everyone.
    And...let's not forget he wants to do away with gun free school zones, but then restrict guns from schools with metal detectors.
    Using his logic why not just arm every student so they can protect their selves?
    "We need to grow up and realize that guns aren't going anywhere", no we need to grow up and get rid of these guns and institute a multifaceted approach to violence.
     
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  8. Asmodean

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    You obviously didn't look into what it costs to make homemade bombs :p
     
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    so as far as metal detectors, are kids supposed to stop having recess? Not to mention the fact that not all schools are completely enclosed. Population growth around here has led to portable classrooms being placed outside. The middle school I attended had disconnected wings and you had to walk outside to get from one wing to another. How would metal detectors help in those instances?

    And as far as arming teachers...no, just no. Cant even believe this idea is floating around. Teachers aren't even provided basic supplies, they have to use their own money for classroom supplies. And yet there will be money in the budget for guns? Or will they have to spend their own money on those as well? What happens the day a teacher is pushed too far and turns their gun on a student? Teachers are humans too and some deal with mental illness just like anyone else, should mentally ill teachers also have guns? What about all the teachers who don't feel comfortable with guns and dont agree with this proposal?
     
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  10. Asmodean

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    It probably went to safety measures like metal detection ports and bulletproof blackboards...!

    Anyone who's arguing for a solution that's about more guns at this point should see a doctor.
    Can't believe Aeri's actually behind the stuff she shared in this thread. Just look at other countries. We have evil people too. And nutcases. But we don't have these problems.
    A school shooting here is an anomaly. Shouldn't that tell people who refuse to see its a gun problem something...
     
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    Yes in a perfect world, we could keep guns out of the hands of anyone we wanted to. However when you have 300,000,000 out there with no legal means of tracking them, that can't be undone by starting to change the rules now. If today you can have a law that every new gun can be tracked, you still have the 300,000,000 others that aren't.

    No longer a viable option.
     
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    This didn't play a role in the 2 other mass shootings by young men I can think of from the top of my head already (and actually took notice of parents as well).
    It doesn't seem the essence of the american cultural phenomenom of young men shooting up a lot of people.
    Kids go through puberty with all its insecurities, anxiety and frustrations in my part of the world too. Plenty of abysmal parenting. But if one goes this loopy they stab a person to death or something like that. They rarely go through all the effort of preparing a mass killing, because options are simply limited.
     
  13. Noserider

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    I used to believe that too.

    But then I realized the lives of school children were more important than my right to the type of firepower usually reserved for the military
     
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    I disagree. I found this article that sheds some light on the NRA's "People Kill People" logic.

    That's only part of it, but it makes an enlightening point! :)

    More at "Guns Don’t Kill People, People Do?"
     
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    Repeal the damn second amendment. These shootings don't happen without easy access to guns.
     
  16. Aerianne

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    Until you see words that I compose and type out myself there's no use in attempting to talk about what you believe I back.
     
  17. Asmodean

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    Like it said in your quote of mine, I did not dare to make an assumption yet.
    It looks like you share words you agree with. I can't believe you would be that stupid though.
    Maybe you should clarify why you share what, if you don't want people to assume the wrong thing ;)
     
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    So let's go with this logic. Say tomorrow you repealed it. How do you find the 300,000,000 guns that are out there that have no requirement to be registered? Then let's just say that law abiding citizens turn in these now illegal guns. Whose left holding the millions upon millions that weren't turned in?
     
  19. Aerianne

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    There are a shit ton of these things floating around social media. Those two are a very scant sampling.

    I share things that I think make some valid points.

    There are some people who've made up their minds absolutely, and then there are people like me who see some good points being made on each side.

    I don't pretend to have an answer, nor would I want the responsibility to come up with THE answer.

    Like you pointed out, I obviously don't even know what it costs to put together a homemade bomb.
     
  20. MeAgain

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    First I'm not against all weapons, but....
    You need a viable incentive to turn in weapons that are deemed too dangerous for public ownership.
    You can have positive incentives, such as a buy back program or a negative incentives such as jail time.

    Buy back programs have to pay enough for each weapon to make it desirable to turn them in. So the buy back amount would have to be for more than the gun is worth on the open market. As more guns are turned in the remaining guns would probably become more valuable unless the negative incentives knock down the price.
    I would think it could be financed through a tax on allowed firearms and ammunition, federal funds, tax credits ($2,000 was proposed in the House in January 2013, and mandatory participation by gun manufacturers (something like Trump's famous get rid of one two regulations for every new one; get rid of two guns, by law, for every new one manufactured.
    ....And awards and drives to promote turning in guns.

    Negative incentives could include mandatory imprisonment or fines for failing to turn in weapons, high insurance requirements or registration fees, and loss of hunting licenses or gun permits if caught with illegal weapons.
    A public awareness program and "gun shaming" could also be initiated similar to the "fat shaming" proposal in another thread.

    Of course the guns turned in would have to be destroyed.

    And let's remember although there may be 300,000,000 (265,000,000) guns, less than a third of all Americans own guns and only 3% own half of those guns. So the number of people involved is not as great as it seems. An estimated 55 million people own guns, 3% is about 18 million people, if we look at it that way. New York City alone has 8.5 million people in it.

    Assault style rifles probably make up about 2% of the total. Say about 5.5 million.
     
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